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(Date Posted:01/02/2010 6:05 AM)
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Scientists have shown for the first time that "lifeless" prion proteins, devoid of all genetic material, can evolve just like higher forms of life.

The Scripps Research Institute in the US says the prions can change to suit their environment and go on to develop drug resistance. Prions are associated with 20 different brain diseases in humans and animals.

The scientists say their work suggests new approaches might be necessary to develop therapies for these diseases.
In the study, published in the journal Science, the scientists transferred prion populations from brain cells to other cells in culture and observed the prions that adapted to the new cellular environment out-competed their brain-adapted counterparts.

When returned to the brain cells, the brain-adapted prions again took over the population.

Charles Weissmann, head of Scripps Florida's department of infectology who led the study, said: "On the face of it, you have exactly the same process of mutation and adaptive change in prions as you see in viruses. This means that this pattern of Darwins evolution appears to be universally active.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8435320.stm

{Maybe someone can explain this to me? How can something that is not alive evolve? Can a rock evolve? Don't think so. What is going on here? If these "prions proteins" are not living than how do they harm us? Virus'.....even bacteria are living entities but apparently these prions are no more living than a grain of sand? I don't get it? Do you?}

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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 9:08 AM)

It means another mechanism we don't yet know or understand, is at work here. Knowledge of what it does is a first step to isolation and identification of the cause.

Science accepts evolution as fact because even though it hasn't been observed and measured through a genetic line, evidence overwhelmingly exists to support it.

Simultaneously creation has also never been observed through a genetic line, but there is sometimes overwhelming evidence to support it.

For me it is logical to believe both. Illogical to believe neither, because of the evidence. It's either all or nothing, therefore it must be all.  

 
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 9:22 AM)

Pikes: Are you suggesting that all non-living things may be able to evolve?
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 11:57 AM)

Rose, on a quantum level everything is pure energy, with no real distinction between what we call the living and the non-living.
That, I think, is our mistake in reasoning--a separation between living and non-.
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 12:02 PM)

Hmmm....now that is interesting!
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 12:27 PM)

Proteins are combinations of amino acids. Could "evolve" mean "recombine" in this instance?
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(Date Posted:01/02/2010 1:10 PM)

Reply to Noserose (01/02/2010 9:22 AM)

Pikes: Are you suggesting that all non-living things may be able to evolve?

I believe so.
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/02/2010 3:16 PM)

Wow! That shakes me up a bit. I love it when that happens!!
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RE:Non-living things can 'evolve'?
(Date Posted:01/14/2010 6:34 AM)

If by evolution you mean change from one generation to the next by a process of natural selection and adaption to environmental circumstances I would say non living things cannot evolve. However this does not mean, as Slipslider already mentioned, that things cannot change.

For example think of the way the Grand Canyon was formed (or if it is me and Joe we can think about High Force waterfall ;-)). A process of erosion removed softer rock while hard rocks like granite remained. Once formed the rocks could not further evolve and adapt in such away so as to allow them to be more resistant to water erosion. However, when there is water erosion molecules of matter are carried to different locations and reborn in new combinations of matter. Actually a better example is shellfish to limestone or trees to coal to diamons.


'The Scripps Research Institute in the US says the prions can change to suit their environment and go on to develop drug resistance. Prions are associated with 20 different brain diseases in humans and animals.'

Could it be that on certain prions are able to exist in certain environments and therefore if the raw materials for their existance eg protiens are avaliable circumstances dictate the formations the prions will exist in or they won't exist.


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