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(Date Posted:20-05-2011 3:55 AM)
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 I thought I would start an opinion box, where we could all come on and say anything about anything on the day. Sometimes I read something that I think would be interesting, yet there is no topic available to report it and starting a new one for what might be just one message seems a little too far, so don't start another, here we have a box where you can have a sentence or two on what's general at the time.
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(Date Posted:15-05-2018 2:17 AM)

If the oil company are employing bears they ought to pay a decent wage so they don't starve.
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(Date Posted:15-05-2018 5:10 PM)

 If the oil company are employing bears they ought to pay a decent wage so they don't starve.

When I was stationed there Mark I use to take the two Great Danes dogs for daily walks out in the bush because I didn't need their leashes on out there which gave them a bit of freedom to run. I would walk them an average of 10kms a day and would see a lot of bear dropping and clawed trees. I was only thinking about black bear though, not grizzle like this one is which is probably close to a thousand pounds. I was more leery of running into a moose which can be just as dangerous and the Cold Lake area of Alberta is full of them. It was on one of these famous outings crossing over the top of a beaver dam and pond in winter that the oldest dog for some reason steps on the frozen pond side of the dam. Standing on his hind legs he was over 6 feet tall but wasn't able to touch the bottom and get anything solid to push against to get out. I reached down and tried pulling him out by his collier but ended up stepping on the pond side also and go through the ice I go. I also couldn't touch bottom and here I am in winter boots and coat and the only thing still above water is my baseball cap which floated. I somehow got under the dog and pushed it up from underneath enough that it could crawl out with my wife pulling. By this time my daughter is now crying and I no sooner managed to pull myself out before my clothes freeze solid on me. I am left with two options, start a fire fast or gum boot it back to the car. I decided on the car which was roughly a mile away and told my wife follow my tracks in the snow back to the car which she did. She showed her true colours to me when she got to the car and was worrying more about the dog being cold than the block of ice sitting beside her which was me.
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(Date Posted:16-05-2018 1:16 AM)

Geezus, you lucky bastard. I'm shivering just reading that Pete. Mind you, that's what old age does to you. If you fell in there tomorrow there would be nothing to do but get a quick service in before you became a giant ice cube.
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(Date Posted:16-05-2018 2:02 AM)

I was going to watch The Revenant but I won't bother now.
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(Date Posted:16-05-2018 11:57 PM)

 I'm terrified of ice Major no matter how thick they tell me it is. Every late fall and spring here people (usually drinking) go through the ice on foot or ski-doo and they don't find their bodies till summer. It's unbelievable how fast the body seizes up and your strength is drained in frigid water.  
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 12:15 AM)

Actually the Bear in the movie The Revenant Mark was only a guy dressed in a bad bear suit. It was done with blue screen what ever that is.






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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 12:42 AM)

This actually happened and the man did survive the attack.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 1:06 AM)

 Besides being able to crush your skull with one bit, they can disembowel you with those four inch claws they have. In the movie the bear keeps on coming after it was shot. Apparently this happened a lot with grizzlies. The have been known to keep on comes, (probably running on pure adrenalin ) after they have been shot numerous  times. I read or heard years ago about a guy in the west who had empties his rifle into one and it keep on coming. They found the guy dead and the bear about 10 yards from him dead. I'm sure they said that he had shot it 15 or 16 times and it hadn't died before it killed him first.
He probably had one of the two rifles mentioned below. I had to google it because I wasn't sure what rifles held that many rounds. They say the best place to shot them to try and stop them is in the front shoulders. Pretty hard to do I would think if he was in the middle of a charge.

 The Winchester ammo capacity depends on the model. The Henry, which morphed into the Winchester Model 1866, fired the .44 Henry Flat and has a 16 shot tube magazine. The Winchester 1873 had a capacity of 15 .44 WCF cartridges In a tube magazine.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 1:19 AM)

 I'm terrified of ice Major no matter how thick they tell me it is. Every late fall and spring here people (usually drinking) go through the ice on foot or ski-doo and they don't find their bodies till summer. It's unbelievable how fast the body seizes up and your strength is drained in frigid water.  

Yes, there are the usual spring canoeist's deaths by people who go onto the freshly thawed lakes in spring, fall in 100 yards from the bank and die before they can swim back to shore, so quickly does the cold seize them up.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 1:34 AM)

 This actually happened and the man did survive the attack.

Don't know what you mean Major? There has been many mauling over the years which didn't end in death. Usually if you surprise the bear it's first reaction depending on how close you are to it will either be flight or fight. Their eye sight isn't the best but their noses are. People had been attacked and didn't fight back and just laid there. The bear does maul them and some times very badly but once the bear fells no threat anymore they have been known to walk away and leave the person. You will notice in the movie the bear is a sow with a young one. When they have cubs they become over protective and that's what the movie was trying to show the bear was actually doing. It also manages to attack on after being shot in the head.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 4:15 AM)

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 I'm terrified of ice Major no matter how thick they tell me it is. Every late fall and spring here people (usually drinking) go through the ice on foot or ski-doo and they don't find their bodies till summer. It's unbelievable how fast the body seizes up and your strength is drained in frigid water.  

Yes, there are the usual spring canoeist's deaths by people who go onto the freshly thawed lakes in spring, fall in 100 yards from the bank and die before they can swim back to shore, so quickly does the cold seize them up.

That's how most of those on the Titanic died, kept from drowning by their life jackets but frozen in the icy water.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 7:10 AM)

This actually happened and the man did survive the attack. 

Don't know what you mean Major

The film is based on a true story. The man did survive the Bear attack and the horrendous journey back.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 1:06 PM)

 I had read a story many years ago which was about the same time frame as the movie was portraying where a man was attacked by a grizzly and the group he was with though he wouldn't make it because he was mauled so bad. They half buried him alive and left him. The guy survived and crawled hundreds of miles over time to where he was nursed back to health. He went back after the guys that had left him and knocked them all off except the youngest of the group who he considered only a boy at the time. The boy was  Kit Carson.
There was a movie made which paralleled the book to a point but didn't go into descriptive detail like the book did. At one point maggots infested his wounds and to remove them the people who helped him let their two large dogs lick the wounds clean. I'm going to see if there is a video on youtube.
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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 2:12 PM)

 

Hugh Glass (c. 1783 – 1833)[1][2][3] was an American frontiersman, fur trapper and trader, hunter, and explorer. He is best known for his story of survival and retribution, after being left for dead by companions when he was mauled by a grizzly bear.

Born in Pennsylvania to Scots-Irish parents[citation needed], Glass became an explorer of the watershed of the Upper Missouri River, in present-day Montana, the Dakotas, and the Platte River area of Nebraska.[4] His life story has been adapted into two feature-length films: Man in the Wilderness (1971) and The Revenant (2015). They both portray the survival struggle of Glass, who (in the best historical accounts) crawled and stumbled 200 miles (320 km) to Fort Kiowa, South Dakota after being abandoned without supplies or weapons by fellow explorers and fur traders during General Ashley's expedition of 1823.

Despite the story's popularity, its accuracy has been disputed. It was first recorded in 1825 in The Port Folio, a Philadelphia literary journal, as a literary piece and later picked up by various newspapers. Although originally published anonymously, it was later revealed to be the work of James Hall, brother of The Port Folio's editor. There is no writing from Hugh Glass himself to corroborate the veracity of it. Also, it is likely to have been embellished over the years as a legend



Glass and the rest of the Ashley Party eventually returned to Fort Kiowa to regroup for the trip west. Andrew Henry, Ashley's partner had joined the group, and he along with Glass and several others set out overland to the Yellowstone River. Near the forks of the Grand River, near present-day Shadehill Reservoir, Perkins County, South Dakota, while scouting for game for the expedition larder, Glass surprised and disturbed a grizzly bear with two cubs. The bear charged, picked him up, bit and lacerated his flesh, severely wounded him, and forced him to the ground. Glass nevertheless managed to kill the bear with help from his trapping party, but was left badly mauled. The men were convinced Glass would not survive his injuries; nevertheless, they carried Glass on a litter for two days, but doing so greatly slowed the pace of the group's travel.[12]

Henry asked for two volunteers to stay with Glass until he died and then bury him. John S. Fitzgerald (not to be confused with Thomas Fitzpatrick, who had separated from the Henry party with Jedediah Smith to find an overland trail to the Green River country) and a man later identified as "Bridges" stepped forward, and as the rest of the party moved on, began digging his grave.[13][14] Later, claiming that they were interrupted by attacking Arikara, the pair grabbed the rifle, knife, and other equipment belonging to Glass and took flight. Fitzgerald and "Bridges" later caught up with the party and incorrectly reported to Ashley that Glass had died. There is a debate whether Bridges was actually famed mountain man Jim Bridger.[15]

Despite his injuries, Glass regained consciousness, but found himself abandoned, without weapons or equipment. He had festering wounds, a broken leg, and deep cuts on his back that exposed his bare ribs. Glass lay mutilated and alone, more than 200 miles (320 km) from the nearest American settlement, at Fort Kiowa, on the Missouri River. Glass set the bone of his own leg, wrapped himself in the bear hide his companions had placed over him as a shroud, and began crawling back to Fort Kiowa. To prevent gangrene, Glass allowed maggots to eat the dead, infected flesh in his wounds.

Using Thunder Butte as a navigational landmark, Glass crawled overland south toward the Cheyenne River where he fashioned a crude raft and floated downstream to Fort Kiowa. The journey took him six weeks. He survived mostly on wild berries and roots.

Pursuit of Fitzgerald and Bridger[edit]

After recovering from his wounds, Glass set out again to find Fitzgerald and Bridger. He eventually traveled to Fort Henry on the Yellowstone River but found it deserted. A note indicated that Andrew Henry and company had relocated to a new camp at the mouth of the Bighorn River. Arriving there, Glass found Bridger, but apparently forgave him because of his youth, and then re-enlisted with Ashley's company.[8]

Glass later learned that Fitzgerald had joined the army and was stationed at Fort Atkinson in present-day Nebraska. He traveled there as well, where Fitzgerald returned his stolen rifle. Glass reportedly spared Fitzgerald's life because he would be killed by the army captain for killing a soldier of the United States Army. However, the captain asked Fitzgerald to return the stolen rifle to Glass, and before departing Glass warned Fitzgerald never to leave the army, or he would still kill him.[8] According to Yount's story, Glass also obtained $300 as compensation.[8]

Further explorations for General Ashley in 1824[edit]

In the period intervening, between finding Bridger and finding Fitzgerald, Glass and four others were dispatched in February 1824 with mail for Fort Atkinson. They traveled up the Powder River, then across to the Platte River. There they constructed skin boats and traveled down the Platte River to the lower end of the Black Hills.[16] Glass and his party discovered a settlement of 38 lodges of Arikara. Their leader, who was known by Glass, declared the tribe to be friendly and invited them in so the men went ashore. While smoking with him in his lodge, Glass noticed their equipment being taken by the residents and realized it was a trap.[16] The men quickly fled but two were killed by the pursuing war party. Glass managed to hide behind some rocks until the Arikara gave up their search, but was separated from the two other survivors. He was relieved to find his knife and flint in his shot pouch and traveled to Fort Kiowa surviving off the land.[16]

Glass returned to the frontier as a trapper and fur trader. He was later employed as a hunter for the U.S. Army garrison at Fort Union, near Williston, North Dakota.[citation needed]

Death[edit]

Glass was killed along with two of his fellow trappers in early spring of 1833 on the Yellowstone River in an attack by the Arikara.[17]

A monument to Glass now stands near the site of his mauling on the southern shore of the present-day Shadehill Reservoir in Perkins County, South Dakota, at the forks of the Grand River.

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(Date Posted:17-05-2018 2:53 PM)

Jeremiah Johnson is also a good book to read and was also made into a movie with less gore than the book. I can only post trailers of the movie which is a shame.
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(Date Posted:20-05-2018 1:29 AM)

I see today that a Cougar in Washington State attacked two men while they were out mountain biking. It killed one of them and mauled the other one badly. They may have not been together but same cat. They are quite the animal which is capable of jump 15 feet high or as far as 40 feet in distance. They weigh between 70 to 250 lbs.  It is normally very rare to even see one. With man now encroaching further into their domain, more attacks will probably occur.
I was reading that out of every five kits born only one with make it to the breeding age.

 
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(Date Posted:20-05-2018 1:41 AM)

They always attack in old westerns.
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They always attack in old westerns. I was reading different accounts of them sitting up in trees to ambush game that may come by and instead have drop down on people who aren't expecting them. Pound for pound a house cat is a very rough animal and now make that cat into a 200 lb. one and Bingo you have a Mountain lion.  
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(Date Posted:21-05-2018 5:36 AM)

I’m presently in the colonies for a few days, bringing enlightenment and panache to a cultural backwater known as Canada. 
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(Date Posted:21-05-2018 7:11 AM)

You'll get free food and drink if you tell you went to the Royal Wedding.
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(Date Posted:22-05-2018 3:42 AM)

Royal wedding? If you want to see darkies come to Buffalo. We have lots of em.
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(Date Posted:22-05-2018 7:10 AM)

But not many Royals I expect.
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(Date Posted:22-05-2018 12:09 PM)

I've been looking into Royal visits (if any) to Buffalo. King George VI and Queen Elizabeth stopped there briefly in June 1939 on their way by train from Canada to Washington. Edward, Prince of Wales (later King Edward VII) visited the Canadian side of the Niagara Falls in 1860 when he was 18 and later crossed into the USA at Detroit, he never actually visited Buffalo though.
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 I’m presently in the colonies for a few days, bringing enlightenment and panache to a cultural backwater known as Canada.

So it was you that brought this bad weather was it? I should have known.

You'll get free food and drink if you tell you went to the Royal Wedding.

In Beefalo he might if they manage to figure out what's he saying. 

I can just here them saying now, bloody foreigners come here and can't even speak English. lol


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(Date Posted:22-05-2018 5:11 PM)

I will be leaving for Quebec tomorrow, Pete. Of course I cannot speak French but you don't have a real country with two languages. Tell Mark not to worry about me.
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I do worry when folk go quiet unannounced, look what happened to Flash. That's why Shula is becoming a concern. 
Isn't Spanish America's second language?
We'll have more members residing in Canada than anywhere else by the weekend.
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Have a good trip and go the Niagara way to the 401 so you can pick up Art. Maybe you should take an interpreter with you. If you take him make sure he doesn't eat the bait.
Fill up the car in Cornwall Ontario before crossing into Quebec if you go the Canadian side.
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