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(Date Posted:14-06-2018 10:56 AM)
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In France in the 1700's executions were not uncommon & the condemned were decapitated by the country's Chief Executioner. This position was hereditary & in 1726 Charles-Jean-Baptiste Sanson suffered an early death leaving his 7 year old son Charles to take over these grisly duties. The child  could not wield the heavy ax required to chop off a head until he reached the age of 12. So in the meantime a surrogate performed the executions. However the law required young Charles to put the official seal on the act, which he performed admirably after witnessing the gruesome deeds.

Maybe that is why the French invented the guillotine eh?

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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:14-06-2018 2:46 PM)

The guillotine was invented in order to speed up the number of executions during the Reign of Terror, an executioner would get tired wielding the axe all day long, not so with a device to do the job.
In fact the Scots "invented" the guillotine, they had a contraption called the maiden which pre-dated the French version by 230 years.
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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:14-06-2018 2:54 PM)

If I'm not mistaken, the guillotine replaced garrotting as the French form of national execution
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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:18-06-2018 2:15 PM)

Sounds a little milder that drawn and quarters but still ends the same I guess. Executions in the civilized countries of the world has gone the way of Dodo bird. It's odd at the number of innocent people executed in the States that are now coming to light since DNA evidence was introduced. What do you say to a person who you have stuck on death row for 20+ years and find out he's not guilty. Sorry really doesn't cut it, does it. Even worse what do you tell a persons family after you have execute someone and find out later that he/she was innocent. 

   
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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:18-06-2018 2:46 PM)

Mostly vindictive women giving false testimony in rape cases. Hell hath no fury, Pete. In reality you pay the victim or family.
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(Date Posted:18-06-2018 10:49 PM)

 Mostly vindictive women giving false testimony in rape cases. Hell hath no fury, Pete. In reality you pay the victim or family. I watched something about a guy in Texas getting the needle. It was his wife who may have lied and got him to where he was. On the day she was there and I guess he must have been yelling and swearing at his wife. Calling her a liar and telling her she knew the real truth Gov. Perry said later that he had heard him. When it was thought that the guy might have been innocent, they asked Perry who I guess must have signed for the execution and also witnessed it, what did he thing. His answer was, well if you had heard the way he was talking to his wife, you would know he was guilty.

I imagine I'd be up set and doing a lot of yelling at my wife too, if she knew I was innocent and she was just being vindictive.
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(Date Posted:19-06-2018 11:54 AM)

The early 1950s here were a bad time for wrongful executions. Four men hanged between 1950 and 1953 have since been shown to be innocent, or at least not guilty of a capital crime, too late for them of course.
Two hanged in the early 1960s are also said, by some, to be innocent, but there are no moves to look into their cases as yet as the evidence for their innocense is not strong enough to warrant a formal investigation. 
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(Date Posted:19-06-2018 12:23 PM)

Then there's the scores of murderers who have been up in court and got away with it.
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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:20-06-2018 1:30 AM)

Yes, they far outnumber those who've been wrongly convicted.
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(Date Posted:20-06-2018 8:42 AM)

Of course you are right, Mark. I will gladly add to my tax bill to provide for the families of those wrongfully convicted if Pete will do the same for the victims of those rightfully convicted. I wonder whose tax bill would be more?
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(Date Posted:21-06-2018 12:04 AM)

 Then there's the scores of murderers who have been up in court and got away with it.

Yes, they far outnumber those who've been wrongly convicted.


Are you both saying that it only takes a good Lawyer to keep you from the hangman in Britain?
 
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(Date Posted:21-06-2018 1:38 AM)

If there's any doubt to be exploited or some mitigating factor, then yes. The great defence barrister years ago was Sir Edward Marshall Hall, he was practising from the 1890s to the 1920s. He was the one everyone wanted if up on a murder charge. 
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(Date Posted:21-06-2018 6:17 PM)

And I imagine only the well to do could afford to retain him Mark. So really, nothing has changed in over a hundred years.
So if you are well off then you stand a better change of not swinging.
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 2:05 AM)

He would take on interesting cases regardless of the fee, he made good money out of his high profile clients which enabled him to defend those who wouldn't normally be able to call on his services. 
The down side of his skills is that some of those acquitted were probably guilty. 
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 2:28 AM)

No justice service is perfect, or ever will be, so we adhere to the one that happens to be undoubtably the most logical and experienced in human history, English common law.
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 1:47 PM)

 English common law. I hate that word Common Major. Used for a common criminal, or as a common prostitute. Sounds beneath or belittling.  
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 2:37 PM)

It does sound a bit socialist, doesn't it? The common man means everybody. What about the music....fanfare for the common man. Words take on additional meanings over time but I love the phrase.
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 2:40 PM)

Such as "for the common good" or the "Commonwealth of Nations". Although the "House of Commons" does sound a little archaic today. 
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(Date Posted:22-06-2018 11:59 PM)

It does sound a bit socialist, doesn't it? 

Socialist?? It would be more to the right I would think. lol

Sayings like "for the good of the common people".  It sounds a little condescending to me like the 
people don't know what's good for them or not and someone else is making their choice for them. I would say who is making this choice for the people and do they really want it or is it being forced on them from someone higher up. 
Britain has always had a class structure from King on down to ward of the State and living in the poor house and that's probably where it stems from.
The word common or commoner is an ordinary person, without rank or title so if you have any rank or title then you are not considered a common person and would speak of the people beneath you as only common people or commoners who will never have any rank or title and aren't capable of making decisions for themselves.  


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(Date Posted:23-06-2018 1:40 AM)

Traditionally British society is made up of four ranks - royalty, nobility, gentility and commonality, the first three only making up about 1% of the population. Major and I (especially Major) are sadly, commonality.
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(Date Posted:23-06-2018 2:18 PM)

 So you have 3 groups above you or 1% of the country thinking that you aren't capable of making decisions or knowing what's good or not good for you because you are only a commoner. Is that not at least a little belittling to a commoner? 
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(Date Posted:24-06-2018 1:31 AM)

Decisions are made in the House of Commons, most of whom come from, and are elected by, the "silent" 99%.
The same ratio applies in the USA and Canada I'm sure, except that you don't use the traditional terminology we do, and to be honest no-one over here uses those terms either in this era of equality.  
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(Date Posted:24-06-2018 1:58 PM)

 The House of Commons actually says it all because it's there to represent the common people.
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RE:EXECUTIONS
(Date Posted:26-06-2018 2:57 AM)

Going back to the subject of executions. One of the last men hanged for murder in GB was James Hanratty executed in 1962. Many people, especially his family, said he was innocent and when DNA tests became available years later they agitated for an exhumation and tests on clothing preserved since the murder. The tests proved he was guilty, but of course the family refused to accept the result claiming the evidence was contaminated. They'll never accept anything that does not agree with their beliefs.   
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(Date Posted:27-06-2018 12:32 PM)

 Going back to the subject of executions. One of the last men hanged for murder in GB was James Hanratty executed in 1962. Many people, especially his family, said he was innocent and when DNA tests became available years later they agitated for an exhumation and tests on clothing preserved since the murder. The tests proved he was guilty, but of course the family refused to accept the result claiming the evidence was contaminated. They'll never accept anything that does not agree with their beliefs. Look at the Golden State cop who did a DNA test through Ancestry and when the DNA results came back the finally caught him. 

The Golden State Killer is a serial killer, rapist, and burglar who committed at least 12 murders, more than 50 rapes, and over 100 burglaries in California from 1974 to 1986.[4][5][6] He is believed to be responsible for three crime sprees throughout California, each of which spawned a different nickname in the press before it became evident that they were committed by the same person.   

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