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(Date Posted:08/23/2012 7:53 PM)
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FROM PBA;- "BY LOOKS OF THE SIZE OF THE HOLSTER, HE CARRIED A SMALL CANON..
WHY KIND OF RIFLE IS IT FLASH?"

HOLSTER?.......I THINK THAT'S A BAYONET OR KNIFE SHEATH. OR, NWMP ORDERS SPECIFIED BUTCHERS' KNIVES TO BE CARRIED INSIDE BOOT.

Hmmmm almost all contemporary rifles had wooden stocks leading to the muzzle, and a 5-10 rd box mag. RH guy's weapon does not conform.


So, I'll chance my arm and guess the RH guy's weapon is a 1898 Browning shotgun, 5 rd tube mag and half pistol grip as per photo. Excellent trench gun.
cAN WE ASSUME THIS PHOTO WAS TAKEN IN FRANCE?
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OR could it be a Winchester '87 TRENCH SHOTGUN? Look at your photo, it seems to have a protruding hammer like the Winchester.

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Barrels seem to be far too large for rifle calibre, a 12 bore is .714"

Guy on the left  is carrying a shoulder slung weapon the butt protrudes beyond his left hip. THIS MIGHT BE THE WINCHESTER NWMP ISSUE CARBINE

"The original weapons of the Force were the .577 Snider-Enfield carbine, Mk. III, and the .450 Adams revolver, first model. The single-shot carbine was satisfactory for the first few years; however, as the Indians soon began to carry repeating rifles, equality of fire-power had to be restored. (GO ASK CUSTER) The police experimented with the Winchester repeating rifle, and finally adopted the .45-.75 Winchester Model 1876 military carbine in 1878."

OK FIRST OF ALL THE SIDEARM.
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ADAMS mK 111, CONVERTED PERCUSSION. FIRST OFFICIAL CENTREFIRE REVOLVER ACCEPTED BY BRITISH ARMY.When the North West Mounted Police were being set up (1873/74) Adams revolvers were ordered from the War Department, the request having specified that they should be of the "latest pattern". When the shipment of revolvers finally made it to Manitoba in mid-1874, where the Force had been assembled for its 'Great March West', it was discovered that sold-out-of-service Mark I revolvers had been sent (apparently by a commercial jobber) which had been so poorly packed that many were damaged, forcing armorers to piece together a reduced supply of serviceable weapons. (The late arrival of the revolvers, and the necessary repairs, delayed the departure of the Force for several weeks, and it finally got under way on July 8 1874.)

The War Department agreed to replace these first NWMP revolvers with Mark III revolvers, although they did not arrive until 1875 ... and then only 296 were received out of the shipment of 300, four having been stolen in transit!




Forget .577 Snider that has a top "trapdoor" like the  Springfield. WHICH OF COURSE PERFORMED SO BADLY AT LITTLE BIG HORN.File:Nepalese Snider.jpg

Lee Metford. Could be the one held by the bottom LH man in big group photo.

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BELOW ISSUE 1876 WINCHESTER



Ok HERE ARE PICS OF THE NWMP ISSUE WINCHESTER .45-75 (GOOD ROUND FOR GRIZZLIES) ON LHPIC, AND THAT MIGHT BE THE OBSCURED WEAPON CARRIED BY LH MAN ABOVE RIGHT.

bUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE RIFLE CARRIED BY THE RH MAN, NOR DO I THINK IT'S THE LEE METFORD; NO BOX MAG AND TOP WOODWORK IS DIFFERENT. AS I SAID, BY THICKNESS AND EXPOSED BARREL LENGTH I THINK IT'S AN AUTO SHOTGUN.


The action of the Winchester 1876 rifle was not particularly strong, so the .45-75 was factory loaded with a 350 grain bullet at a MV of 1383 fps and ME of 1485 ft. lbs. This was ballistically inferior to the .45-70-405 and .45-70-500 as a buffalo cartridge, but its lever action rifle allowed much faster repeat shots. Teddy Roosevelt is said to have favored the .45-75 Winchester as a grizzly bear cartridge.

BUT TIME HAD MOVED ON; THIS WAS THE LAST LEVER ACTION WINCHESTER PRODUCED
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AND ENTER THE HIGH VELOCITY SMOKELESS POWDER LEE METFORD
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 Lee Metford. Could be the one held by the bottom LH man in big group photo

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Re:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/24/2012 1:32 AM)

IT A HOLSTER FOR SURE. IT LOOKS LIKE AN OPEN MOUNTIES HOLSTER.
IN THE PICTURE OF THE TWO AT THE END ON THE LEFT IN UNIFORM IT'S FOR SURE DEFINITELY THE SAME RIFLE AS THIS ONE.

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AS FOR THE TWO WITH THE MULES, MAYBE THIS 1876.






A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A 1876 WITH A LONG OCTAGON BARREL.
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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/24/2012 7:33 AM)

It's either a Lee Metford or an 1876 Winchester. The Winchester has been "ruggedised" with woodwork up to the muzzle, and the following calibres preferred.

Originally chambered for the new .45-75 WCF cartridge (designed to replicate versions in .40-60, .45-60 and .50-95 Express followed; the '76 in the latter chambering is the only repeater known to have been used in any numbers by the professional buffalo hunters.[4] The Canadian  used the '76 in .45-75 as a standard long arm for many years with 750 rifles purchased for the force in 1883;[5] the Mountie-model '76 carbine was also issued to the Texas Rangers.

.40-60, .45-60 are a tribute to the long standing effeminacy of the American hunter as .45-75 was too powerful. The second number is the powder load.

I personally believe your group pic shows the Lee Metford. Look at the bandoliers, they appear to hold 5 rounds in chargers per pocket. Each pocket has a flap covering 2 chargers.

File:North West Mounted Police.JPG But I'm afraid the picture quality is so sh*tty. Your open holster I give up on. British Army ORs seemed never to carry pistols except when stolen from the enemy. The Lee Metford was issued from 1888. There were initial production problems with the Metford, poor assembly and bore sighting which made the Boer Mauser
its superior.  Maybe the RCMP wanted to hang on to their Winchesters for those reasons..

So, you've got one rifle issued from 1883, using black powder and with 8 rd mag. You have another issued 1888 using smokeless with 10 rd mag, charger loading. Far faster.

Take your choice.

You ask if rh guy's  weapon might be a longer barreled Winchester, e.g. (The RH bloke with mule). I am sure he has a shotgun. I doubt he will be allowed to run around with a unique long barreled weapon using different (.45-60) ammunition. 


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Re:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/24/2012 8:31 PM)

DID YOU NOTICE THE SIGHTS ON THE LAST WINCHESTER BEHIND THE TRIGGER?

NOTICE IN THE NEXT PICTURE THE LEVER USED TO RE-LOAD AND COCK THE ACTION. MOST OBVIOUS ON THE GUY ON THE RIGHT. ALSO THE SHAPE OF THE BUTT.



THAT'S THIS ONE FOR SURE.
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APPARENTLY THE CANADIANS DIDN'T FIGHT AS ONE GROUP BUT WERE DIVVIED OUT TO BRITISH UNITS AS SCOUTS.


The regiment was one of the last in the British Empire to be created and raised by a private individual, Donald Alexander Smith, 1st Baron Strathcona and Mount Royal. During the Boer War, Lord Strathcona recruited and equipped the cavalry regiment at his own expense for service in South Africa. Many skilled horsemen (cowboys and North-West Mounted Police members) enlisted, allowing for a short training period and rapid deployment to Africa. The 537 officers and men, as well as 599 horses, of the new regiment sailed from Halifax on 18 March 1900 and arrived in Cape Town on 10 April. Along with The Royal Canadian Dragoons, the regiment won renown for their scouting skills.

Rumour exists that members of the North-West Mounted Police serving with the regiment during the Boer War preferred the boots the regiment wore, and adopted them as their own – hence the name "Strathcona boots" for RCMP high brown boots.

Another legacy of the official kit is the huge popularity of the distinctive Stetson Campaign Hat worn by all Canadians severing in Africa during the Second Boer War. After seeing Canadian troops in this attitire at the Relief of Mafeking, British Officer Robert Baden-Powell ordered 10,000 of the hats for his own troops.[1]

Supposedly General Kitchener was astonished at the size of the newly arrived Canadian soldiers. Their commander, Sam Steele, is said to have replied "My apologies, sir. I combed all of Canada and these are the smallest I could find."

ABOARD THE SS MONTEREY IN 1899.
ROYAL CANADIAN DRAGOONS AND LORD STRATHCONA'S HORSE.

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(Date Posted:08/24/2012 8:58 PM)

During the Boer War, the unit originally raised was named the 1st Battalion, Canadian Mounted Rifles, and comprised a total of 19 officers and 371 men and their horses, organized into two squadrons. The most famous casualty of the 1st Battalion was Harold Lothrop Borden. The core of each squadron was provided by experienced regular officers and men from the Royal Canadian Dragoons, the cavalry unit of the Canadian Permanent Force. For this reason, in August 1900, at the unit's own request, the 1st Canadian Mounted Rifles were renamed the Royal Canadian Dragoons.[1]

In armies of Commonwealth Realms, most other "royal" regiments feature St Edward's Crown on their cap badge. The cap badge of The Royal Canadian Dragoons is special; it features a springbok with no crown.

During the Second Boer War (1899–1902), during the advance to Pretoria, the RCD set up camp in a field. Regimental legend has it that one of the sentries noticed that some springbok were behaving erratically, and alerted the officers, who ordered a stand-to. This resulted in the defeat of Boer forces that had been trying to sneak up through the fields to attack the Canadian force.

There is no documentary evidence of this incident. The Commanding Officer at that time, Lt.-Col. Louis Lessard, makes no mention of it in his personal papers or his official reports. It is more accurate to state that the RCD wear the springbok as a recognition for the regiment's sterling service in South Africa. Three members of a single unit winning the Victoria Cross in a single action on a single day has been surpassed only once, at Rorke's Drift in 1879.

The commander of the RCD then put a request to King Edward VII, the reigning monarch, to officially have their cap badge changed to the springbok, which was finally accepted in 1913.

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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/25/2012 5:25 AM)

No-one's arguing about the two in #3 having Winchester 76s.
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Re:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/25/2012 7:12 PM)

ARGUING?? WHO'S ARGUING??

WAS READING THAT THERE WAS A SHORTAGE OF HORSES AS THE WAR WENT ON. APPARENTLY IT WAS NOTHING FOR ONE REGIMENT TO STEAL HORSES FROM ANOTHER. THEY SAY THAT THE CANADIANS WERE BEST AT IT. THEY EVEN CAME DOWN TO ENGRAVING INTITALS INTO THE FRONT OF THE HORSES HOOVES IN THE UNITS. IT WAS NOTHING FOR THE CANADIANS TO CHANGE THEM FAST BEFORE PEOPLE CAME LOOKING FOR THEIR MOUNTS.
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THERE'S THOSE DARN HATS.
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Re:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/25/2012 7:39 PM)

Pistols of the 2CMR:
"The trooper is certainly a member of the 2nd Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles. Note the trooper's holster and revolver. Only the 2CMR's used the "Mexican-loop" holster, and they used it with the Colt Model 1878 DA "New Frontier" revolver. Note the revolver's "bird's head" grip - it is positively a Model '78. While Col. Lessard of the 1st Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles believed that handguns were unnecessary, Col. Evans of the 2CMR considered revolvers an excellent addition, ideal for scouting and close-quarter work.

"While the officers of the 2CMR carried their revolvers in closed holsters, the men used the Mexican-loop style. These holsters were supplied by Great West Saddlery of Winnipeg & Calgary and Alberta Saddlery of Calgary. While some of the revolvers were chambered for .44 WCF the majority were chambered .45 LC. Over the years I've had an opportunity to examine a great deal of material connected to the 2CMR and while I can't be 100% certain, I'm 99.9% confident that the trooper is a member of that organization. The fact that the painting surfaced here in western Canada also lends support to my position."


(Above right a Colt 1878 Double Action New Frontier revolver, and left a "Mexican Loop" type of holster (modern style, not Boer War.) The "loop" refers to the leather bands outside the holster proper, which could be either single, double, or triple. The trooper above is carrying either a single or double Mexican loop holster, a rig which originated in Northern Mexico in the 1870s and by 1900 was in widespread use across the northwestern USA and western Canada. The loops are what sharp-eyed George Kush spotted in the Trooper portrait.)

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Re:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/26/2012 5:46 AM)

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Pistols of the 2CMR:
"The trooper is certainly a member of the 2nd Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles. Note the trooper's holster and revolver. Only the 2CMR's used the "Mexican-loop" holster, and they used it with the Colt Model 1878 DA "New Frontier" revolver. Note the revolver's "bird's head" grip - it is positively a Model '78. While Col. Lessard of the 1st Battalion Canadian Mounted Rifles believed that handguns were unnecessary, Col. Evans of the 2CMR considered revolvers an excellent addition, ideal for scouting and close-quarter work.

"While the officers of the 2CMR carried their revolvers in closed holsters, the men used the Mexican-loop style. These holsters were supplied by Great West Saddlery of Winnipeg & Calgary and Alberta Saddlery of Calgary. While some of the revolvers were chambered for .44 WCF the majority were chambered .45 LC. Over the years I've had an opportunity to examine a great deal of material connected to the 2CMR and while I can't be 100% certain, I'm 99.9% confident that the trooper is a member of that organization. The fact that the painting surfaced here in western Canada also lends support to my position."


(Above right a Colt 1878 Double Action New Frontier revolver, and left a "Mexican Loop" type of holster (modern style, not Boer War.) The "loop" refers to the leather bands outside the holster proper, which could be either single, double, or triple. The trooper above is carrying either a single or double Mexican loop holster, a rig which originated in Northern Mexico in the 1870s and by 1900 was in widespread use across the northwestern USA and western Canada. The loops are what sharp-eyed George Kush spotted in the Trooper portrait.)



.44 WCF was the load for the '73 Winchester rifle as well.  Givimng the user the same ammunition for rifle and pistol.

40 grains (2.6 g) of blackpowder propelling a 200-grain (13 g) bullet at approximately 1,245 ft/s (379 m/s),

.45 Long Colt was the first pure centrefire round as opposed to cap and ball conversions and you could chamber .45 S&W.#
The original blackpowder loads called for 28 to 40 grains (1.8 to 2.6 g) of blackpowder behind a 230-to-255-grain (15 to 16.5 g) lead bullet. These loads developed muzzle velocities of up to 1,000 ft/s (300 m/s).[2] Because of this power and its excellent accuracy, the .45 Colt was the most-used cartridge at the time of its introduction, succeeding the .44 WCF (or the .44-40 Winchester). The .45 Colt never enjoyed the .44-40's advantage of a Winchester rifle chambered for it, allowing use of the same cartridge in both pistol and rifle.[4] The reason was that early .45 Colt cartridges had a very minimal rim, and would not eject reliably


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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/26/2012 11:00 AM)

AND THEY ALL SANG "WHEN I'M CALLYING YOU OOOH OOOOH" AS THEY RODE INTO THE SUNSET!
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AND THEY ALL SANG "WHEN I'M CALLYING YOU OOOH OOOOH" AS THEY RODE INTO THE SUNSET!

Are you referring to this or this?Rose-Marie Poster
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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
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ALL I GOT WAS A BOX  WITH A RED X THAT SAYS ROSE MARIE.  SOUDS GOOD TO ME.

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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/27/2012 5:44 AM)

I've got an idea it's your gear up the Swannee
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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/27/2012 4:58 PM)


SHULA ISN'T ALLOWED TO WATCH ANY MORE OF THIS MUSH MOVIE.  FILMED IN BANFF NATION PARK 1936.







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RE:WEAPONS OF THE ROYAL CANADIAN MOUNTED POLICE.
(Date Posted:08/28/2012 2:57 AM)



Yes, rear sight was called the Creedmore sight, also the "tang" sight ( see mounting location) and was used by snipers. Or self-claimed snipers. They got in ther way of your right hand, and bent easily. Only used post 76 Winchesters.
  Soule-Type Middle Range Creedmore Sights Manufactured by Pedersoli, 3" Elevation, Model USA405
 
Used with the huge bench rest rifles during the Civil War



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