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(Date Posted:02/19/2012 12:28 AM)
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The USFS says 'global warming' is killing off yellow cedars in S.E. Alaska and B.C., Canada by causing their roots to freeze due to lack of snow cover.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46439567/ns/us_news-environment/

In S.E. Alaska, there is very little soil and what soil there is, is very nutrient poor and doesn't hold water very well.  It can rain for 40 days straight there but 4 hours after the sun comes out, you'll have dust blowing in your face.  Snow on the ground type winter is usually 3 months or so in Juneau and about two months in Ketchikan.

You should also know that trees in this part of the world don't have tap roots because... well, under the inch or two of 'soil' we have up here is solid rock.  This entire part of the world emerged out from under glaciers and ice fields about 12,000 years ago... not enough time to build up soil.

The theory that lack of snow cover causes the roots to freeze is kinda goofy.  The root wad of cedar trees isn't that much larger than the diameter of their branches... I know this because I've seen them after they have fallen over in high winds.  Additionally, coniferous trees shed snow pretty well.  Alaskans know if you are stranded in the bush in the snow, nice shelter can be found at the base of coniferous trees because the snow that sheds off the tree builds a nice wall around the base... once you're inside there, you are well sheltered.

Generally speaking, the world makes sense.  Things happen for reasons that are generally not that hard to figure out.  So when a group of 'scientists' tell me something that makes no obvious sense... is it not reasonable to question their results?
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:08/28/2015 4:24 AM)

Humans are "man-made", everyone knows that.


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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:08/28/2015 11:12 PM)

We are every bit as "natural" as any other species in this world.
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There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:03/11/2016 2:39 AM)

Glaciers are key icons of climate change and global environmental change. However, the relationships among gender, science, and glaciers – particularly related to epistemological questions about the production of glaciological knowledge – remain understudied. This paper thus proposes a feminist glaciology framework with four key components: 1) knowledge producers; (2) gendered science and knowledge; (3) systems of scientific domination; and (4) alternative representations of glaciers. Merging feminist postcolonial science studies and feminist political ecology, the feminist glaciology framework generates robust analysis of gender, power, and epistemologies in dynamic social-ecological systems, thereby leading to more just and equitable science and human-ice interactions.
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Feminist and postcolonial theories enrich and complement each other by showing how gender and colonialism are co-constituted, as well as how both women and indigenous peoples have been marginalized historically (Schnabel, 2014). Feminist glaciology builds from feminist postcolonial science studies, analyzing not only gender dynamics and situated knowledges, but also alternative knowledges and folk glaciologies that are generally marginalized through colonialism, imperialism, inequality, unequal power relations, patriarchy, and the domination of Western science (Harding, 2009).

"Glaciers, Gender, and Science—A feminist glaciology framework for global environmental climate change."

That is part of a research paper from the University of Oregon.  I kid you not.
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There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:03/11/2016 1:18 PM)

I think that one should be "When a lack of of science is stupid."
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:03/11/2016 1:54 PM)

There was far more to the study than just this brief excerpt. Would I have allowed funds for it, no.
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Reply to katie5445 (03/11/2016 10:54 AM)

There was far more to the study than just this brief excerpt. Would I have allowed funds for it, no.

Ummm, yes, an 'excerpt' is by definition not the entire study.

Glad you hear you wouldn't have funded such a silly work of 'academia', though.
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There was a time when there was enough freedom that it hardly mattered which brand of crooks ran government. That has not been true for a long time and that captures an important point. The more powerful the government becomes, the more people are willing to do in order to seize the prize, and the more afraid they become when someone else has control. ~ Glenn Harlan Reynolds

“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it. Power is what all messiahs really seek: not the chance to serve.”
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:07/19/2016 5:28 PM)

pectacular failures to replicate key scientific findings have been documented of late, particularly in biology, psychology and medicine.

A report on the issue, published in Nature this May, found that about 90% of some 1,576 researchers surveyed now believe there is a reproducibility crisis in science.

While this rightly tarnishes the public belief in science, it also has serious consequences for governments and philanthropic agencies that fund research, as well as the pharmaceutical and biotechnology sectors. It means they could be wasting billions of dollars on research each year.

One contributing factor is easily identified. It is the high rate of so-called false discoveries in the literature. They are false-positive findings and lead to the erroneous perception that a definitive scientific discovery has been made.

This high rate occurs because the studies that are published often have low statistical power to identify a genuine discovery when it is there, and the effects being sought are often small.

Further, dubious scientific practices boost the chance of finding a statistically significant result, usually at a probability of less than one in 20. In fact, our probability threshold for acceptance of a discovery should be more stringent, just as it is for discoveries of new particles in physics.

The English mathematician and the father of computing Charles Babbage noted the problem in his 1830 book Reflections on the Decline of Science in England, and on Some of Its Causes. He formally split these practices into “hoaxing, forging, trimming and cooking”.

cont... Sit Down, Science. We Need to Talk - Simon Gandevia, Conversation


Science, engineering, math... all awesome disciplines but to be trusted you have to be worthy of trust and that means not lying, not making shit up and not cheating.
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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:06/27/2018 2:09 PM)

A little bit about those studies we always hear about...

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RE:When science is stupid.
(Date Posted:07/16/2018 9:31 AM)

A bit more on how to evaluate 'peer reviewed' studies.

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