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If anyone wants to know, in a nutshell, what life is like in Beijing... it's the worlds largest example of Sim-City.

However, and ironically, the people who live in Beijing are actually more free than we are.  Granted, there are certain limitations;  come to the attention of authorities and you're screwed.  But, that's pretty much the case here, too, except in Beijing what gets the attention of authorities is doing or saying something that causes authorities to 'lose face'.

Here, you can publicly call Obama or Bush, "mouth breathing shit for brains", and not spend any time hanging by your toes.  And that's nice.  That's how it should be.

But, aside from that, Beijingers are more free than we are.  Want to sell bottled water on the sidewalk?  No problem.  Want to start any sort of business on the side walk?  No problem.  Empty tool shed on the side of your apartment building?  Take it over and it becomes a food stand or mini-grocery.  I've seen it.  It's awesome!  If you ever go to China, or pretty much any other asian nation and not partake of street food... you're an idiot.

Here, we arrest little girls for running lemonade stands.  Don't even think about opening even a hotdog cart without paying the bribes to city officials, they'll call out the fucking swat team on your arse if you try it.

In Taiwan, there are entire streets that get shut down each night as the 'night markets' open up.  It's actually an enjoyable experience... and I'm a dude.  I fucking hate shopping.  But the night markets are so exuberant and the variety of shops so amazing that it's actually interesting.

Once upon a time, the US was the greatest nation on earth.  We had that exuberance and that freedom.  It's long gone now and all that seems to remain is arrogance... we know better than anyone else... we have nothing to learn from anyone else.

There is a lot to learn and freedom remains the most powerful force for good there ever was.  And a very good place to rejuvenate freedom is to do away with all the shackles we place upon individual entrepreneurs.  Beijing doesn't bother with trying to tax them or regulate them... there are too many of them and not enough 'officials'... not to mention attempting to crack down on them would in all probability cause the ordinarily docile Chinese citizenry to go fucking ballistic.

I want to see street vendors on the streets of down town Anchorage.  I want Americans to be able to start a 'micro-business' without having to take out a fucking mortgage to pay for the licenses and fees and permits and inspections and visits from the entire alphabet soup of bureaucrats.
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Where would you want them other than in a city, how would you not zone, we have 600 of them mostly in pods, some call them "roach coaches" the city is here for a reason. There are many restaurants across the US if you went into the kitchen, you wouldn't eat there. Wasn't it Chipotle that just got a few hundred sick. Food carts have become safer to eat in than some restaurants in my city.My daughter had a mobile cart the fee was $500 for all licensing, far less costly than what it started to buy and run the cart, she made the money back in a couple of days. If you have a building you have to jump through hoops, why not a cart, should they not be equal? Some people do get sick when they eat off Chinese carts, my husband when there had a few days off and a a few of his employees ended up at the hospital, so people do get sick in China.
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Yeppir, people do get sick in the worker's paradise. They limit births, wear masks to protect against pollution.......all in the name of freedom. Three hars, AK.


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Where my husband and gang was ill was Zhengzhou, they also wore masks but his lungs took weeks to clear and they ached. He is off to Beijing next, bought his own high tech breathing mask. Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan he did not have those experiences.
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Where would you want them other than in a city, how would you not zone, we have 600 of them mostly in pods, some call them "roach coaches" the city is here for a reason. There are many restaurants across the US if you went into the kitchen, you wouldn't eat there. Wasn't it Chipotle that just got a few hundred sick. Food carts have become safer to eat in than some restaurants in my city.My daughter had a mobile cart the fee was $500 for all licensing, far less costly than what it started to buy and run the cart, she made the money back in a couple of days. If you have a building you have to jump through hoops, why not a cart, should they not be equal? Some people do get sick when they eat off Chinese carts, my husband when there had a few days off and a a few of his employees ended up at the hospital, so people do get sick in China.

Won't surprise you that I don't think there should be any 'licensing fee' for any business.

Only got food poisoning once in China... Shanghai and it was from a brick and mortar restaurant.
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Yeppir, people do get sick in the worker's paradise. They limit births, wear masks to protect against pollution.......all in the name of freedom. Three hars, AK.

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None of that is really related but you're in a bitchy mood so feel free.

1 child policy has been rescinded btw.  Same problem there as here... not enough young slaves to feed the social programs.
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No it wouldn't surprise me but with almost 30 million small businesses alone, it is hard to trust the several million who become piss takers of the general public. I also think foreigners are always more susceptible to street food or any food product that is not handled the way it is in this country. Go to India, expect to be sick. Some countries have cleaned up, like Mexico, I have been to few places all rural where you can't drink the water and mostly don't eat the mayo, they leave theirs unrefrigerated and are used to it. I haven't been sick in Mexico in decades.
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No it wouldn't surprise me but with almost 30 million small businesses alone, it is hard to trust the several million who become piss takers of the general public. I also think foreigners are always more susceptible to street food or any food product that is not handled the way it is in this country. Go to India, expect to be sick. Some countries have cleaned up, like Mexico, I have been to few places all rural where you can't drink the water and mostly don't eat the mayo, they leave theirs unrefrigerated and are used to it. I haven't been sick in Mexico in decades.

Chinese cuisine is usually cooked on a blast furnace.  Father-in-law always complains our gas stove isn't hot enough when he is here but I've not found any stoves available that put out the BTU's he's accustomed to cooking on.

I suspect the high heat does much to destroy anything that might make one ill and if that is the case, then Chinese street food is pretty darned safe.


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High heat does not kill "everything" Staph bacteria is killed by heat but the toxins live. Other common bacteria's from food are heat stable. Salmonella can be killed but humans and utensils. or raw foods touching cooked foods that are contaminated(cross) can still make you sick or kill you. We also check our food for heavy metals, parasites, fungi and viruses. Food that sits out can also make you sick if not under the same constant temp.
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 I'm pretty sure fire kills everything,
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And to think I had to take several years of science classes to get my degree. I wish you'd been my professor's, so much easier your way. One paper, one sentence, fire kills everything.
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And to think I had to take several years of science classes to get my degree. I wish you'd been my professor's, so much easier your way. One paper, one sentence, fire kills everything.

Am I wrong? smiley6

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 Fire will kill, it does not remove non living toxins.
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 Yes, of course they asked.....repeatedly.  Public hearings were held in every area of the city.  Three readings were done before the Comprehensive Plan was approved..

So, when the council violates the plan, the neighbors fight city hall, and are told, It's just a plan.  The council and P & Z do whatever they want, usually can't resist increasing the value of property.....more revenue.
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And to think I had to take several years of science classes to get my degree. I wish you'd been my professor's, so much easier your way. One paper, one sentence, fire kills everything.

Am I wrong? smiley6

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 What does fire not kill?
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The toxins, they are heat stable  and if the food does not maintain a constant temp above 135 degrees, you will be sick or worse. Also there is the danger before even cooking, people who wash their chicken shouldn't it is best to leave and cook. Contaminates your sink, counters and hands that some do not wash with bacteria killing agents. Either way food left out after cooking or contamination from other sources are as big deal as cooking and killing what you can.
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Toxins aren't alive... thus cannot be killed.

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You knew what I meant and now you want to split hairs, thanks but no thanks. 
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I hate to take AK's side on this topic or anything else, but nobody really knows what you mean/meant, Katie.


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 Yeah, that's kinda true.
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http://www.searo.who.int/entity/world_health_day/2015/whd-what-you-should-know/en/

46. What are mycotoxins?

Mycotoxins are a group of naturally occurring chemicals produced by certain moulds or fungi. They can grow on a variety of different crops and foodstuffs including cereals, nuts, spices and dried fruits. Mycotoxins are produced by several fungi in foodstuffs and feed during production, storage, transportation, often under warm and humid conditions.

47. Which mycotoxins are concerns from a food safety point of view?

The mycotoxins of most concern from a food safety perspective include the aflatoxins, ochratoxin A, fumonisins, trichothecenes and zearalenone. The aflatoxins are most commonly found in maize, peanuts and feed as contaminants and it can also be found in the milk of animals that are fed contaminated feed, in the form of aflatoxin M1. Some mycotoxins such as trichothecene remain toxic even after being cooked.

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I hate to take AK's side on this topic or anything else, but nobody really knows what you mean/meant, Katie.


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I hate to take AK's side on this topic or anything else, but nobody really knows what you mean/meant, Katie.


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My "feeling" is hurt, & it's the last one I have, Katie.


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My "feeling" is hurt, & it's the last one I have, Katie.


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'All-out offensive' in Xinjiang risks worsening grievances


2 March 2017

..........But the ethnic Uighur population of Xinjiang has no discernible voice. In the midst of an "all-out offensive" it is dangerous for them to speak up, unless to echo the government's message.

One contact in Kashgar told the BBC that the situation is "hypersensitive", with all business in the city closed down by night. He said members of his family are summoned to weekly meetings to demonstrate political allegiance.

"We are reliving the Cultural Revolution", he said...........>

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Tales from the new Silk Road




Tingting He and Carrie Gracie


................“It will make a big difference when it’s developed. The train network gets us everywhere, so for products with a short shelf life like cakes and fruit it’s a good option.”

Thinking about rail freight gives Tingting another idea – perhaps Tiptree could use the Chinese train to deliver chutneys to Europe?

For her the new Silk Road is one long opportunity stretching all the way back to China. None of it is easy but to those who shun China as a difficult market, she counsels strategy, patience and courage.

“You really need to find a good long-term partner. It might take more than a year or two to make anything happen. But if you don’t knock you won’t know.”...........>


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