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whathappen
Re :   one month away from the N

Sometimes I feel strong but other times I feel so weak. every time I talk to him i seem to get drawn back in. Until i review the facts again and then can't believe i am living this nightmare. Who is this person? He sounds the same but the reality of what he has done is so inconceiveable and yet, of course, he sounds so sorry and misses me so much, etc.  I know it is complete BS and must keep the NO Contact rule but still we are married and shared all those years. Thanks for your support and comments. And yes he is a total sleaze. Hopefully time will pass quickly and the healing will be quick too. The most interesting part is I have always been admired as strong and smart. Also a good judge of character. So to everyone else reading this: it is not your fault even if it may feel that way.



01/28/2012 12:19 PM


KyraAmber
Re :   Questions on narcissistic personality disorder

CD, please document all texts and emails from him, create a file and show them to the police. See if you can get an RO.
Believe me, this is a needed step.
His emails are nothing but a desperate ploy for attention, akin to a very spoilt child. Ignore, see if you can block his email. If not, is it possible to create another folder where his get sent? He just wants to keep you dangling. That is all his intentions are, to keep you tied, feeling terrible.
And as for an apology- CD, you are NEVER going to get one. Possibly a superficial one at best if he needs to find a way back in- but explicitly and exclusively because it is what you WANT to hear, not because it is the right thing to do, or because he is truly sorry and feels remorse, or because he has any plans of changing. The mere fact of the matter is he will never see he has done anything wrong. He gleans amusement from your distress. He enjoys his mind games and power plays. He likes seeing you lacking equilibrium, he likes to see you off-balance and confused. THAT is what he enjoys.

CD, what this is is simply now an ego battle. You want him to acknowledge you as an equal, he wants to punish you because you dare challenge him. HE ISN'T WORTH IT.  You are not going to ever get the acknowledgement you want. He doesn't see it, he isn't capable of mutuality, empathy, or bonding. The only bonding he has done with you is attach to you as parasite, you as host. That is an extremely unhealthy connection- and YOU ARE WORTH MORE. Why settle for something that will always prove to be a source of anxiety, rumination and pain for you- when there is so much more out there? You don't deserve to suffer like this. ((hugs))


01/26/2012 5:44 PM


femfree
Topic :   Life Struggles





Life Struggles...



A man found a cocoon of an emperor moth. He took it home so that he could watch the moth come out of the cocoon. On the day a small opening appeared, he sat and watched the moth for several hours as the moth struggled to force the body through that little hole. Then it seemed to stop making any progress. It appeared as if it had gotten as far as it could and it could go no farther. It just seemed to be stuck.

Then the man, in his kindness, decided to help the moth, so he took a pair of scissors and snipped off the remaining bit of the cocoon. The moth then emerged easily. But it had a swollen body and small, shriveled wings. The man continued to watch the moth because he expected that, at any moment, the wings would enlarge and expand to be able to support the body, which would contract in time. Neither happened! In fact, the little moth spent the rest of its life crawling around with a swollen body and shriveled body and shriveled wings. It never was able to fly.

What the man in his kindness and haste did not understand was that the restricting cocoon and the struggle required for the moth to get through the tiny opening was the way of forcing fluid from the body of the moth into its wings so that it would be ready for flight once it achieved its freedom from the cocoon. Freedom and flight would only come after the struggle. By depriving the moth of a struggle, he deprived the moth of health. Sometimes struggles are exactly what we need in our life. If we were to go through our life without any obstacles, we would be crippled.

We would not be as strong as what we could have been. Give every opportunity a chance, leave no room for regrets.

Author Unknown



Graphics by Gemstone Designs former MSN Group
Artwork Courtesy of DMAT



01/24/2012 10:03 AM


LivingnBre
Topic :   A story of a surviver

My story is a little long but its mine and it is nice to get it out to people who understand. First I am so happy to have a place like this to be able to share. I stumbled upon the main site one day when I was looking up something on N's and P's and I almost cried at the idea that I am not at all alone in my darkness. So to the  everyone here thank you. I am sorry anyone ever has to go through abuse of any kind and the hidden emotional abuse is the worst.
 I met my NPXH when I was too young to be dating and he was to old to be looking for anyone my age but he had a car and got me away from my P mother. When I first introduced them she thought he was amazing and could do no wrong even the first time he cheated on me she had him and his new girlfriend over for dinner and sent me to my dads. We split up and I found out I was pregnant I told him he didn't have to help I just wanted him to know. He came back, belittled me whole pregnancy, made me get a dna test, threatened to put our child up for adoption if it wasn't his and so on. things got better after our first was born and we lived together "happily" he was my protecter and savior from a horrible home life telling me what a bad mom I have and so on. Then we were "forced" to get married and soon I found out we were going to have another baby. He was so excited he couldn't contain himself and wound up celebrating every night until early morning with his friends  he had me exactly where he wanted me. Home with a toddler and one on the way and by law since I was so young he was my guardian. I caught him cheating and took a cordless phone to the back of the head from across the room. Our next was born and on the day of the birth he celebrated with my "best friend". I found out 3 months later from another "friend". At this point all my so called friends were people he introduced me and I had no contact with any of the people I was close to before. 6 months after our second was born I caught him red handed with another female he thought I should be friends with. I left and moved in with the only family member who would help me. Thats when the real abuse started. I lost a  back tooth, have permanent damage to my jaw, got my nose broke 2ce, (once because he bit it so hard) went through several walls, and had a shot gun held on our oldest and me. It amazes me after a while how numb a person becomes. Then... the story of our life together he would beg me to come back give me the I love you, you make me crazy, I'm so sorry it will never happen again bit. I went back. Every time somehow he made everyone believe it was my fault especially the P mother (who would say " you had better act right you'l never find anyone willing to support you like he does") and including me. So I made excuses for him to my family, Dr.'s and several judges. It amazes me now the things I did for insecure security. He told me I was crazy, changed stories, would do something get caught in the act and tell me I didn't see what I thought I saw. Then after we were back together he became a father again ( this time not mine this child has no contact with him but the mother and I have become very close over the last 6 years and this child is with my children alot  I think it is very important to be around your siblings)  even after DNA test he denied the affair and broke my foot for accusing him........ "Oh but I have no place to go and 2 kids and and and" was my excuse to stay. He was finally convicted of a felony when he showed up at my job and pulled me out the window of our vehicle with my sibling and our children in it and kidnapped me choking me unconcious. One of the men I worked with followed usand found me. ( If he wanted to kill me he would have... If I had a nickle for every time he told me that) The kidnapping didn't stick, and he served 3 hours in jail. Before he was convicted I took him back.  And guess who started seeing a psychiatrist? Yep that would be me. He told them I was nuts and that I attacked him.
   Fast forward. The felony scared him no more physical abuse it got him to much trouble. Now life got "good" No body believed there was any emotional or mental abuse and when the kids got hit they deserved of course. He is great with kids all children flock to him except his own. Everyone believed he was perfect most of them still do. no one heard what went on in our house... 
  Fast forward. I go back to school we have another baby we get out of debt we buy a beautiful home and our first new vehicles. Life is perfect on the outside. He gets a new job he is away alot a week or 2 at a time. The abuse starts back -- the house isn't clean enough when he gets home, the kids grades aren't right, he can tell I'm cheated etc.... I tell him enough is enough I'm not a little girl anymore I know what he is and I'm not fooled anymore (that was a lie) and he needs to go!! He refuses. He tells everyone I'm cheating. He would ask me to run erronds and then call the P mother and tell her I wouldn't aswer the phone or have my family check in when he knew I wasn't home because I was taking care of something he asked me to do. So noone believed my "alibies" Then I find out baby #4 is on the way. I want nothing to do with this man anymore. Thats when the sexual abuse started I refused at one point when I was 8 1/2 months along and he actually pulled me out of bed by my feet.... and threw me on the couch and told me that was my new bed. Then he would beg me not to leave or make him leave and tell me he would do anything for us to stay together. The next day he would pack my stuff and set it at the door. Finally he told our oldest that there was no way in the world that I would ever leave him that I had it too good with him and would be stupid to leave him cause he would kill me before I ever got a penny of his money and I couldn't make it on my own and he would have his sibling pay for him a lawyer and bury me in court and he would never give me the stisfaction of divorcing me and he was never leaving. So I  found a place of my own and I left.
  It took 5 years for our divorce to become final he got everything and we are still in court over custody. The 2 older children refuse to go to his house at all because of the abuse they get there and being almost 18 and 16 they have that right. The younger 2 are with me 95% of the time and he has never given them a penny I even pay insurance. The gardian ad litem thinks he is the bees knees and MY P mother says all i want is to take someone elses hard earned money. He has an amazing way of always being broke but always buying nice new things and going on lavish vacations while I spend every cent on my children and can't afford gas to work overtime. My P mother told me one time that if I sought CS she would make sure I didn't get custody because if it were between me having custody and getting his money or him getting custody and "keeping the only stable house they would ever know" she would do everything in her power no matter what he did to make sure he got it. She is staying true to her word and testifying against me in court. Since him and I have been apart I have been with my current fiance and he is on gf #5 live in #2. With his ex gf's mom also living in the house. Yep that sounds stable.
   So thats where I am at. 19 years since we met 16 years 9 months and 18 days married. He got the house and all the assests and is trying to get custody so he doesn't have to pay child support.
 But I am educated ( an RN with a minor in believe it or not psycology and I am a mental health nurse) I'm smart, I'm healing, (slowly but surely I still sink into his words sometimes and I have a lot of baggage that I need help to carry) I found a great guy, I have amazing children, and Best of all I'm OUT. Even after all of that i still feel sorry for him because I have made excuses for so long and he knows what buttons to push and just how to say things. I feel like an adict always faced with a relapse. 
 But I am so lucky to have found all of you. I hope my story helps someone to know that even after all that time you can get out. There is life and it is so beautiful out here in the open air and freedom even if there are hardships stay strong and keep pushing. Karma will have its last word. 

:) LnB


01/24/2012 1:40 AM


femfree
Topic :   The Elephant in the Room


The Elephant in the Room  



"I prefer the word "target". The
word "victim" allows disingenuous people to
tap into and stimulate other people's
 misconceptions and prejudices of victimhood.
"Target" correctly identifies that it is the
choice of the bully to bully, it is not the
choice of the target to be targeted.
Tim Field, Bullyonline
Tim's Superb Site
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/



I am willing to be the one to finally "out" the elephant in this living room. I am seeing many people not take accountability for their relationship with an N/abuser. I firmly believe that one enormous step in the process of N-recovery is to take accountability & responsibility for our part in the relationship.
 

At some point, we made a conscious choice to remain, for however long. We chose to ignore the red flags, minimize them and/or rationalize them away. Some recognize they were victimized. Some become martyr's. I do believe there is a distinction between the two.
 
What is a victim? Silly as it may seem, Webster's defines a "victim" as:
2: one that is acted on and usually adversely affected by a force or agent victims of the social system>: as a (1) : one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions victim of cancer> victim of the auto crash> victim> (2) : one that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment victim of  attacks b : one that is tricked or duped victim>
 
Being a martyr is defined as:
2: a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle

Taking responsibility & accountability for our own ROLE in the relationship does not mean we invalidate, accept, condone or like the abuse we have endured. Without accountability, we can trick ourselves, con ourselves and be in denial. We did subject our children to a madman. We did not call the police when we were physcially abused (in front of the children). We did not press charges when we did call the police. We did not leave at the first sign of verbal abuse. We went back, regardless of the circumstances.
 
N's are experienced con's. They can connive, trick, scam and totally dupe us. I firmly believe that in hindsight we can all say that there WERE signs, albeit subtle at times. We chose not to listen to our gut. We chose to stay. We are accountable and responsible for our choices. When we choose our actions, we choose our consequences. Now, do not confuse that with me saying we CHOSE the abuse. We put ourselves in a position TO BE at RISK for abuse, however, we DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE ABUSED.
 
I can only speak for myself, but I do know that once I was brutally honest with myself about the relationship with xN, I was able to heal even more. I went back again and again. I didn't leave the one time he threw something at me. I didn't end the relationship when he belittled me and was oh so cruel. I know that part of the reason was that it was too late, in a sense. I was already emmeshed and brainwashed. Yet, I can say with 100% brutal honesty that when I lay awake at night staring at the ceiling, I KNEW something was wrong. I KNEW I was in trouble. I KNEW he was sick, even if I didn't know what NPD was at the time. Whether due to codependency, addiction, etc, I shifted gears and rationalized the behavior, or my own.
 
In typical abused fashion, I chose what I knew (the cycles of abuse) over the unknown which was much, much more scary at the time. Fear paralyzed me. I was scared, alone, and in what I thought for 4 years was love. I now own up to the fact that for me, it wasn't love at all. It was codependency, it was fear, it was wanting to be needed, it was wanting to be The One but it was not healthy. True love IS healthy. True love IS reciprocated. N's cannot do that. For me, that was one of the hardest pills to swallow in this whole N-mess.
 
So what is my point? We can either awknowledge we were victimized, or we can choose martyrdom. For a long, long time (years) I chose martyrdom. I subjected myself to the abuse; I went back and back and back. I tried and tried and tried. I rationalized. I dismissed his behavior.
 
In the beginning, I was totally conned, totally fooled by xN's fake persona. I was taken in. I am pissed at myself for that! However, I recognized that at SOME POINT in the whole chaos storm I CHOSE the relationship. There were times when I felt I didn't HAVE a choice, yet, that ol' gut feeling... that tingle ... that sense... was ignored. For THAT I am accountable. For THAT I am responsible, because there is ALWAYS a different choice.
 
I am NOT responsible for HIS behavior, however. ONLY MINE. He is and will be mentally ill. That is not MY problem. However, in order to continue the process of healing & recovery I have had to OWN my actions and reactions. Not his. It was easier to focus on his behavior than my own.
 
My point is that not everything is the N's doing. Was he a catalyst? Absolutely! Was I abused by him? Absolutely! Am I a victim any longer? No way.
 
There is comfort in letting everything be the N's fault. There is comfort in placing all the blame on N. I did it for a long time. I am writing this for me, because it is high time I "came out" and stood up for myself and awknowledged my own culpability. I thought I could change him. I thought if I did things differently, if I did nothing, if I did something, if I loved more, if I was more patient, if I was molded into what he wanted, then "everything" would be ok. That falls on ME. His mentall illness & subsequent actions/behaviors fall solely on his shoulders.
 
Here's to more N-free days,


 

Artist Ruane Manning "Protective Care"

Graphics by Sweet Design former MSN Group




01/23/2012 10:12 AM


femfree
Re :   one month away from the N

Hi Whathappened. Welcome.

This guy is sure a real sleaze. And, I want to comment on how strong a person you are.

BRAVO to you!!

Hang in there. It will get better I promise.

Hugs
femfree


01/21/2012 11:06 PM


whathappen
Topic :   one month away from the N

Hi. It has been one month since I discovered the man i married was a complete illusion and a narcissistic sociopath bent on getting his supply in abundance wherever and whenever he could. I am also extremely confused, still yearning, struggling with no contact on a day to day basis. just need to share my story with some people who can relate.
I met the N 6 years ago in a whirlwind romance, love at first sight, etc. etc circumstance. I was just in the process of divorcing from an 18 year marriage (perfect target, right) and made the mistake of admitting my worry to this N. Of course, he was married but it was only a "marriage of convenience" and they were planning on divorcing, were never in love, etc. He was successful, seemingly and in a position of authority. i am also successful and educated. He drew me in so quickly and proposed, creating a fairy tale, girl's dream come true situation. 
this was followed by an very easy divorce for me as I had found my true love soul mate. He went through a very difficult divorce but in the end we made it and were together.
Picture perfect wedding, great times together, could read each other's thought, perfect in bed, etc. etc.
The first year there were some unexplained rages but he said he just missed his son, who weirdly enough i never even met to this day. he had some other kids i did meet but both were druggies that he couldn't stand.
The rages stopped.
The life seemed great. everyone loved him. he was in law enforcement and a role model to young people. He helped me raise my teenagers and they all turned out great with his help. He was charming, witty, talented.
One day he was asked to pick up our best friend's teenage daughter, my son, and another young
 girl to go camping. He only picked up the 2 teens: my son and this girl who had just turned 16. i felt it was strange. He blew it off like it was fine. My son was there so it was fine. A month or so later i caught him calling her. Had a big fight. She was in need of a father figure, problems at home. He always counseled teens,etc and she had called him. A year later, again. Last june i went out of town, he picked me up and seemed very strangely detached. He had been calling her. Big fight. swore never to talk to her again. Her mom changed her number. Nothing for 6 months but a nagging feeling. Last month caught him on "their secret" phone at 2am. He swore he never touched her. But she told all. He tricked her, took her virginity, told her all the exact same things he told me when we met (love at first site, soul mate, i went inside your heart for a moment and saw you just want to be loved, etc). 2 and 1/2 years of sex after being molested first. In my house even in my bed. Lies, lies. I'm still in shock. Struggling with no contact. It all comes together now. A classic narcissist. Sleeping with me every night. In love. Singing to me in bed. All my friends, all his friends thought he was the coolest, most wonderful magical person in the world.

 I can't wait to get divorced and get my life back. He was kicked out with an hour of finding out the truth. He is physically gone but the trouble is left with my emotions and my head. He begged me to come back at first but once he saw i wasn't going to feed his ego and play magic dreams anymore, he became disinterested and stopped calling me.  Even though i cut him off at first, i feel abandoned. Yes, thrown away like trash. But the times i do talk to him he says how sorry, he loves me, can't we go back to how it was.  "NO? Well gotta go."I am Struggling and confused. But know that i must stick with the truth and be strong. Right now it is a daily fight but i know i will make it soon.

Hope my story helped someone but it sure helped me to share. Good luck to all.


01/21/2012 12:23 PM


femfree
Topic :   Soon, This I Promise



 

"It has been said that time heals all wounds.
I do not agree. The wounds remain. In time,
the mind, protecting its sanity, covers them
with scar tissue, and the pain lessens,
but it is never gone."
Rose Kennedy



SOON, THIS I PROMISE

Accept that you will never find rational motives behind irrational people (abusers), but you will drive yourself crazy if you try.


Accept that you will never understand why or how he can be so cruel and lack remorse, and let it go. You can only learn to understand yourself and your own behavior.


Accept that you cannot control or change an abuser (not with any amount of love, money, or attempts to be the perfect mate), but you can control how (or whether) you react or respond toward him.


Accept that your abuser has nothing you need or want. Each time your bruised psyche attempts to convince you that you want or need him, use your brain. If you stop to think about what you really want and need, you will find that these are things he cannot give you (love, honesty, respect, kindness). He does not have them to give.


Know that these needs are normal human needs (the desire for companionship, intimacy, love, honesty, respect, affection, kindness) and that you can have these needs filled. Learn to find these things from within yourself and from people other than your abuser. Remember that if you try to get anything at all from him, you are giving him immense power, because he then has the choice to either give it to you or withhold it. Don't give him that power in the first place! Besides, why negotiate a deal with someone who doesn't have what they are negotiating to give in the first place?


Remember that it is always wiser to risk long-term happiness and leave that it is to risk long-term unhappiness (or worse) and stay.


In the beginning, before you learn to love yourself again, remind yourself that although the most difficult and heart wrenching thing is no contact, it is also the healthiest choice and the only true way out. Always know this. They need us more than we need them! We've just been brainwashed into thinking the opposite of what we now know to be true.


Admit to yourself and to trustworthy support persons that you need love, concern, understanding, support, and especially validation to make it through recovery from abuse.
Finally, remember that asking for or expecting any kindness, honesty, love, maturity, reason, or other unselfish behavior from an abuser is like trying to get blood from a stone.
Try something you've always wanted to try. Take time for yourself. Take care of yourself. Do whatever it is you want to do. YOU ARE FREE NOW!


Start to consider what you want from a healthy partner in your next long-term relationship. If men want to establish an intimate and/or long-term relationship with you, let them know that you are available as a friend right now - and more may come later.


Learn to love and respect yourself. Give yourself all of the kindness and love he never did. Soon you will see him for what he truly is, and you will see yourself as well.
This I promise.

... Author Unknown


 Graphic Source Tag Snag Group at AIMOO
Artist Unknown



01/12/2012 8:41 AM


femfree
Topic :   The Duck in the Bottle

 






"You gain strength, courage and confidence by every experience in which you really stop to look fear in the face. You are able to say to yourself, "I lived through this horror. I can take the next thing that comes along." You must do the thing you think you cannot do."
Eleanor Roosevelt
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The Duck in the Bottle



There was once an old wise man that had a duck swimming in a bottle that promised serenity.

One day a young man came by to ask the old wise man a question - The young man had heard the wise man had the secret to serenity.

The old man handed the young man the bottle and told him that if he could get the duck out of the bottle, without breaking the bottle or killing the duck he would find serenity. The old wise man told him to come back in two weeks.

The young man returned after two weeks. He explained that he couldn't get the duck out without killing it or breaking the bottle. The old man told him to go back; you are not ready to find serenity. Come back in two weeks.

The young man returned again after two weeks, and told the old man...I think I know how to do it! I can cut the top of the bottle off and slip the duck out that way. The old man smiled and said no... You cannot break the bottle or kill the duck. You are not ready to find serenity. Come back in two weeks.

Two weeks later the young man returned again. This time with a huge smile on his face. I figured it out old wise man! I know how to find serenity!

He handed the bottle with the duck inside back to the old man and said

“It’s not my duck and it’s not my bottle".


 
"I snagged this from an Al-Anon site. I found it a good lesson on not taking on other people's baggage and making it our own."


Our Thanks to Affectionated Dragon at our Narcissistic Abuse Recovery (Runboard site) for mentioning this to our members.

 

Graphic by Sherri60Three

Backgrounds by EOS Developments
http://www.eosdev.com/




12/30/2011 7:10 PM


femfree
Topic :   A Dangerous Method (Movie Trailer)



In my inbox today from Psych Central Newsletter ....

http://www.sonyclassics.com/adangerousmethod/index.php


Seduced by the challenge of an impossible case, the driven Dr. Carl Jung takes the unbalanced yet beautiful Sabina Spielrein as his patient. Jung's weapon is the method of his master, the renowned Sigmund Freud. Both men fall under Sabina's spell.





12/28/2011 3:53 PM


femfree
Topic :   'I Lost, How did this happen?' Pathologizing the Victim by Sam Vaknin


"I lost in court. How did this happen..?"



Member's Quotes:
 "My brother is an attorney and this certainly gave me a head start because he was quite stern with me about 'cutting the emotional crap' or I'd shoot myself in the foot."

"I was told by Child Protective Services that unless I got my child away from P they would take my child away and now in the divorce, I am court-ordered to give my child to P for visitation."

"My therapist told me to stop going to court and let my lawyer represent me. She thought he was taking me to court just to set up an opportunity to see me."

Your abuser will do everything he can to set traps to make you look like the crazy one. He will appear very in control. If you react by arguing, blaming, yelling, his trap has worked.



PATHOLOGIZING THE VICTIM
by SAM VAKNIN


Excerpt From:
Toxic Relationships
Abuse and its Aftermath
By Sam Vaknin (2004)

Therapists, marriage counselors, mediators, court-appointed guardians, police officers, and judges are human. Some of them are social reactionaries, others are narcissists, and a few are themselves spouse abusers. Many things work against the victim facing the justice system and the psychological profession.


Start with denial. Abuse is such a horrid phenomenon that society and its delegates often choose to ignore it or to convert it into a more benign manifestation, typically by pathologizing the situation or the victim - rather than the perpetrator.


 A man's home is still his castle and the authorities are loath to intrude.

Most abusers are men and most victims are women. Even the most advanced communities in the world are largely patriarchal. Misogynistic gender stereotypes, superstitions, and prejudices are strong.


Therapists are not immune to these ubiquitous and age-old influences and biases.


They are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. The therapist rarely has a chance to witness an abusive exchange first hand and at close quarters. In contrast, the abused are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical.


Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties - it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem.


The profession's propensity to pathologize extends to the wrongdoers as well. Alas, few therapists are equipped to do proper clinical work, including diagnosis.


Abusers are thought by practitioners of psychology to be emotionally disturbed, the twisted outcomes of a history of familial violence and childhood traumas. They are typically diagnosed as suffering from a personality disorder, an inordinately low self-esteem, or codependence coupled with an all-devouring fear of abandonment. Consummate abusers use the right vocabulary and feign the appropriate "emotions" and affect and, thus, sway the evaluator's judgment.


But while the victim's "pathology" works against her - especially in custody battles - the culprit's "illness" works for him, as a mitigating circumstance, especially in criminal proceedings.


 
In his seminal essay, "Understanding the Batterer in Visitation and Custody Disputes", Lundy Bancroft sums up the asymmetry in favor of the offender:


"Batterers ... adopt the role of a hurt, sensitive man who doesn't understand how things got so bad and just wants to work it all out 'for the good of the children.' He may cry ... and use language that demonstrates considerable insight into his own feelings. He is likely to be skilled at explaining how other people have turned the victim against him, and how she is denying him access to the children as a form of revenge ... He commonly accuses her of having mental health problems, and may state that her family and friends agree with him ... that she is hysterical and that she is promiscuous. The abuser tends to be comfortable lying, having years of practice, and so can sound believable when making baseless statements. The abuser benefits ... when professionals believe that they can "just tell" who is lying and who is telling the truth, and so fail to adequately investigate.


Because of the effects of trauma, the victim of battering will often seem hostile, disjointed, and agitated, while the abuser appears friendly, articulate, and calm. Evaluators are thus tempted to conclude that the victim is the source of the problems in the relationship."


There is little the victim can do to "educate" the therapist or "prove" to him who is the guilty party. Mental health professionals are as ego-centered as the next person. They are emotionally invested in opinions they form or in their interpretation of the abusive relationship. They perceive every disagreement as a challenge to their authority and are likely to pathologize such behavior, labeling it "resistance" (or worse).


In the process of mediation, marital therapy, or evaluation, counselors frequently propose various techniques to ameliorate the abuse or bring it under control. Woe betides the party that dares object or turn these "recommendations" down. Thus, an abuse victim who declines to have any further contact with her batterer - is bound to be chastised by her therapist for obstinately refusing to constructively communicate with her violent spouse.


Better to play ball and adopt the sleek mannerisms of your abuser. Sadly, sometimes the only way to convince your therapist that it is not all in your head and that you are a victim - is by being insincere and by staging a well-calibrated performance, replete with the correct vocabulary. Therapists have Pavlovian reactions to certain phrases and theories and to certain "presenting signs and symptoms" (behaviors during the first few sessions). Learn these - and use them to your advantage. It is your only chance.


(c) 2003 Lidija Rangelovska and Narcissus Publications

The Guilt of the Abused, Pathologizing the Victim by Dr. Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse2.html




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Danse MacabreThe Dynamics of Spousal Abuse
http://www.narcissistic-abuse.com/abusefamily.html

 Befriending The System
http://samvak.tripod.com/abusefamily11.html

 
Suggested words to use: "It is my goal that our children have a strong and loving relationship with both parents."
 
Faced with false accusations? Your lawyer might say "I are not aware of any such behaviour, do you have any proof?" With an abuser who constantly lies and makes up stories it's often best to just let him do that as your lawyer can gather up all his lies and false statements and question him - thus exposing him.


Artwork by Tom Sierak
http://www.tomsierak.com/



12/28/2011 9:27 AM


femfree
Re :   Tips, Tricks and Tactics

TIPS, TRICKS AND TACTICS (cont'd.)


The TRAPS


Horror Stories from the message boards...

Mrs. J...

now divorced, but sharing children and visitation with the N, was a very naive and emotional woman who would fight like any mama bear to protect her children. The first time she contacted her lawyer she accused her N of not complying with the visitation agreement. N countered that he was working and had told Mrs. J about any times he missed and she had agreed. There was no proof of his conversations, it was a he said/she said situation. It appeared that Mrs. J was being vindictive.


Mrs. J was outraged when one day her little son returned from visitation saying the N had hit him physically. Mrs. J withheld visitation, and for the second time Mrs. J went to her lawyer and sued for supervised visitations. The N said he had not hit his son, but needed to grab the child to prevent him from falling down. Counselling sessions were arranged and, of course, the N had no problem shining a light on what a good father he was.
 

On another occasion, the N asked Mrs. J to call him at home  at 6:00 pm to discuss the pickup/drop off times for visitation. Mrs. J called and the N, who had a group of people over, went into the conversation saying "Calm down Mrs. J, get yourself under control, you're not making any sense." Everyone heard him and, after what the N had been through, agreed that the N was in a terrible situation and would willingly stand up and testify N was a great dad and his x was a nutcase. Ultimately, Mrs. J lost custody and was given only supervised visitation.

Mrs. J had failed to anticipate the way her N had set her up, the N's responses to her accusations and the devious tricks he would use to win.
 

The N...

Sometimes justice comes outside the legal system. Mr. N had weekend custody of his children but was a very miserable N to deal with. One weekend he went to pick up the children for visitation. That weekend his X was supposedly visiting at a rural location. This happened occasionally, so the N wasn't suspecting anything.  When he got there, the house was empty. The N drove away when he realized there was nobody there.

About a mile or two away on that lonely, dark, rural road he was forced off the road by three masked men. He was badly beaten up and had his left ear cut off. He was told that if he ever tried to see his kids again, he would have the other ear cut off.



Mrs. M...

had two children with the N. The N seldom paid child support and fighting for alimoney was a nightmare. The kids hated being with N, but N knew this irked Mrs. M immensely. He complied with the  visitation terms of the custody agreement however and had his new OW look after the kids. 

Seven times Mrs. M took the N to court. Seven times the N fought for full custody.

After 7 times, the N won. Now Mrs. M, after losing her children to the N, must pay him alimony/child support and fight with him for visitation. The legal costs alone had wiped Mrs. M out financially.

Her question: "What do I do now?"



  Mrs. C...

and her xN had 2 daughters. Mrs. C was unable to detach from the follies-a-deux relationship with her x. Despite the divorce and custody agreement, they continued their dysfunctional involvement with each other at every turn.

Mrs. C's new partner became involved trying to mediate problems and thus the situation became one of triangulation.

Mrs. C found out that her x had failed to disclose his real income. His reported $100K/year was actually $400K. So, she sued. The result was that Mrs. C was awarded $90K, her legal expenses amounted to $85K. The x continues to disregard the new terms of the agreement. Ultimately Mrs. C's new partner left after 7 years of this ongoing madness. Last report has Mrs. C and her x still at each other's throats.



Mrs. L...

was successful in getting most (not all) the things she wanted. In the mediation session, she stated she was the cause for the divorce. She told the mediators her NH was a great father (he was a terrible father) and that he could have the children whenever he wanted. The N strutted around saying he wanted the kids every other weekend, all long weekends, alternative holidays (Christmas/Easter) and a month during the summer. This on paper, amounted to about 25% of the time.

In real life, he sees the kids less than 5% of the time and, then, only when he can use the children to enhance his image to get NS (Narcissistic Supply).

She knew instinctively what her N wanted - heaps of NS and the appearance of being a great guy. She tanked him up with NS, fed his image – particularly beneficial in front of others (bonus NS) thus increasing her chances of success. A less successful approach would be to fight the N all the way. Ns always willingly pay for NS and if he can use the courtroom to get attention, he will not hesitate to do so. An N will get his NS one way or the other.

She managed over the last 16 years to get the child custody money she desperately needed. Do consider letting your N get a little something extra - it'll appease his ferocious self entitlement and the cost down the road will be small. Do make sure that your N is acknowledge for his kind, selfless fathering. All this, of course, is utter nonsense and no doubt you would rather chew glass before you would do this, but when dealing with a NPD person and that's often the successful strategy.



Mrs. R...

was all too willing to have her name put on as owner of the N's business in order to prevent him from being sued for paying additional child support to his x-wife. Mrs. R. bought the N's whole story about the vindictive X hook, line and sinker.

The Narcissist needed a perfect target who would ultimately pay the price and set about to get one. Mrs. R was a good candidate. She bought his story that his x-wife was a horrid person and would steal everything he had. Everything amounted to a substantial fortune. On paper, infact, the N owned nothing. House, business, bank accounts, cars, investments were all owned by the business. 

Things went amazingly well for quite a few years. While Mrs. R looked after the house and their social engagements, went on vacations, spent money like water and never questioned that her husband had any ulterior motive. She rarely appeared at the business, only signing any legal papers once a year as the law required.

Several years later, Mrs. R returned from a lovely Bermuda vacation. N had told her he would be away for a few days on business. 

Mrs. R found there was nothing left, the business owed a huge pile of taxes and debt. The house was leveraged over its value, the cars all leased by the business. Her jewellery, gifts and artwork were all gone and all documents showing their existance and value had disappeared with the N. All personal and business bank accounts were wiped out. Credit cards were maxed. All household money was missing.  

She was quite surprised when the IRS appeared and ultimately told her that since she was the owner of the business she would have to pay or face a lengthy jail sentence.

She arrived at the message boards saying "What do I do now?"

Remember the first sentence? "Mrs. R. was all too willing to have her name put on as owner of the N's business in order to prevent him from being sued for paying additional child support to his x-wife."

What happened to the N you ask? Rumors have it that the N was sailing around the world with his new target, a woman of substantial weath.



 
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12/24/2011 5:16 PM


femfree
Topic :   My Dad, The Monster

Art by Tom Sierak
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My Dad, The Monster
The Story of
The Boy, the Monster, and the Life That Never Was


Excerpts...

This Book is dedicated to my Mother, who led me through all the hard times….

I couldn’t even get my coat out of my mother’s car. The Monster grabbed my sister and me and headed to the door. There was screaming, crying, yelling and “I love you”. As I was being grabbed I hugged my mother that one last time

We had basically come to the last family court judge in the building that had not been on our case. It did not look good. The monster had the Political Worm, and a Chief of Court, and he held all the cards, pulled all the strings, it was the end.

I suppose I never ran away because I didn’t have the strength to… not physically, but mentally. I just couldn’t do it. Also, it was the looming terror of what would happen if I got caught. The monster would surely be angry. And when he was angry, he was scary, sometimes overturning the couch. It was terrifying.

The fear that he instilled in me worked, in some ways. I don’t know how I survived the ordeal with the monster. But now I’m stronger much stronger. I can stand things most grown-ups can’t. I’m a survivor.


Custody time is correlated with money. Ever since fathers figured this out they have been asking for full or joint custody.Some parents have their children taken away from them in the midst of a divorce. Some parents are on the street as monies are withheld from them. Wealthy soccer moms are seen leaving the courtroom with glazed eyes, the patronizing words of their attorney apologizing for the loss of the children in their ears, and descend into a spiral of poverty and madness. The law is not a 2x4. Women and families are not trash to be thrown away. Support issues are not vehicles to drive vendettas. I dream of ethical watchdogs that will stop you...
DIVORCE - The Real Truth, The Hidden Dangers Surviving Deception, Betrayal and Narcissism - Ann Bradley, M.A.
http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/2011/10/divorce-and-the-narcissist/




Chapter 1
My Story
It is sad to say that my story isn’t happy. I wish my story could be one that everybody laughed at. It would be nice to say it was a story that makes people put a smile on their faces with words of enlightenment. This is not that story. Sometimes when I’m lying down I wonder, I wish, I think, I dream to have that perfect life. My story. I’ve told it so many times to where it has no meaning anymore. Like it’s just shuffled away in propaganda, in storage, just sitting and collecting dust, there with its edges yellowing away. My story isn’t over, no, another page is added every day. A word of advice to the reader, don’t feel sorry for me because of this story. You have to sit and understand though I don’t understand why this was the life story given to me.

Chapter 2
The First Vacation
The last weekend. The last weekend of my “good” life. The weekend everything changed….that last weekend in October, 2000. We all knew what was going to happen…my whole family. We knew that we had to leave. We pretended it was just a vacation that was planned a long while back….but it wasn’t, it was last minute. At this last minute my mom, my sister, cousin, uncle, and I went to that wonderful Wisconsin Dells. My first vacation. The place we stayed at was a wonderful hotel with a water park inside. It was all jungle themed, even the halls had trees all around. We all tried to stay together as a family. For that one last time, it was happy…..but there always seemed to be that hint of melancholy in every smile. It didn’t help that the police constantly called us. We were running away, just for the weekend because it was the only way to get our last time together. It’s fairly ironic….because this runaway vacation was the first vacation of my whole life, and I hate it. It’s not fair for murderers to go unpunished, and its not fair for kidnappings to go unseen.That’s what it felt like, a kidnapping. It was the last weekend before I was kidnapped by the monster.

Chapter 3
A Journey Begins
The weekend ended, time to drive back to Illinois…to the monster. The whole way back was terribly sad.There was no way to stop the inevitable, no way to stop the monster. The monster can’t be stopped. The monster has no feeling or emotions for others. The only emotions that the monster has are revenge on others and sadness for itself when it loses. The monster has no other life than to hunt and attack, in revenge. It’s almost sad. Almost. Now, we were at the police station. I was wearing overalls, and I had my wallet in my pocket. The monster was waiting for us. The monster tried to use its mask to hide itself, trying to pretend it was a sugary sweet man but no…I know what’s behind the mask. I ran, to the other side of the building. The monster continued with the mask, coaxing the officers that he didn’t know what was going on. It came toward me and opened its arms for a hug. I screamed at it. Suddenly, that mask popped off and the monster snapped over and grabbed me. He was grumbling his evil grumble. He would not agree to any options. So, I couldn’t wait till morning to go away. I couldn’t stop at my house to gather things…I couldn’t even get my coat out of my mother’s car. The Monster grabbed my sister and me and headed to the door. There was screaming, crying, yelling and “I love you”. As I was being grabbed I hugged my mother that one last time, and my future step-dad shoved some money in my pocket and said he loved me. I was rushed through the door…crying it all away, the last goodbye, the sad end, the horrible beginning.

Chapter 4
Pancakes
I used to love pancakes…especially the IHOP (International House of Pancakes) ones. At one time, going to IHOP was a tradition. Now it is a horrible symbol of a tragedy in my life. The story begins after the Monster took my sister and I from the police station. We were taken to The Red Roof Inn; oddly, it was across the street from the law firm where my mom had worked. The monster forced me to talk to my half-brother on the phone. But, at that time, I could barely talk due to the devastation. Mostly I was too busy crying, but the monster forced me to stop crying…so in that time I was planning….. I was planning ways to escape, planning ways to get the police, planning to not leave Illinois. These plans however were not expected to actually be put in action…..but just on the edge of my mind…in the twilight of to do, and not to do….that is where my mind was….in that twilight. The next day, we went to IHOP. We ordered our food and I ate without speaking a word the whole time. Finally, I got up to go to the bathroom. I went to the kitchen and told my waitress to help, and that I was being kidnapped. I told her about the horrible things the Monster did. The waitress ran to her supervisor and said that she knew that something was wrong…but had no idea. The IHOP people called the police, and I was taken to the police station in the protection of the cop car. Pancakes will never be the same again.

Chapter 5
The house who was a home.
I turned over in my covers, the sunlight burning in my eyes. I rolled over. I was in a wonderful place…warm colors, a warm bed, I was in my home…my wonderful home. Actually, I had made my house known as my “forever home”. This home was so much more than that. It was a symbol. It was the house that was a home. I never had a permanent home….I’ve always wished that I had that one house throughout all of my life, like most people had. But I’m not like most people. No siree, my life is unpredictable, like a roller coaster. It twists and turns, and a loop here and there…the roller coaster that never ended…the one that’s been holding the poor people who have been riding it hostage…that’s my life, a roller coaster. Either way, I’ve never had a permanent house, in fact, I have lived in over ten (10) situations. May it be a house, an apartment, rental home, shelter, or roommates, I have lived in it. No, this was different, this was the dream house I’ve always wanted. That one special place to keep forever…my “forever home”.  That’s what I called it., my forever home. This house symbolized so much more to me than just a home. This was the first good house I lived in. It was the first neighborhood with tons of kids all around. That fantasy life, with a lake across the street, a beach nearby, unexplored territory, the Temples (more on that later) tutorship, but best of all, the friends.

I was part of a group, a gang, a click. I met my best friends in the world there, and we had our adventures that seemed to last forever, that one summer that seemed like an eternity. Although we’ve only known each other one summer and haven’t seen each other since then we are still best friends to this day. Best friends destined to be. That was what the house symbolized, but now the meaning is much different. The house now represents hope. Hope for that future I have always wanted. IN fact, it is the reason I am still alive today. Without that house and that string of hope that I would one day come back, and live my good life…without that, I would never have survived the ordeal with the monster. For I could have surely killed myself without that hope. Hope is something everybody needs. It’s like air. It can not be seen but it’s there and we need it to stay alive. My warm happy place, the place where I was happy all of the time.

That’s where I was…then I was grasped by a cold hand, like and ice cube. A cold evil hand grabbed me. The happy place went away, and so did the house that was a home and so much more.

Chapter 6
Take That Aeroplane
The icy cold hand jerked me awake. I just closed my eyes, hoping that when I opened them again I would be back home, and the nightmare would be over. I opened my eyes, but it was all true. There was the monster with its evil eyes glowing back at me. The monster jerked me up…it was time to go. First we went off to IHOP where that pancake incident occurred, after that, I was at that town’s police station. I remember the hours of waiting…and the hours of talking to the policemen who just didn’t care. They just told me that they couldn’t do anything…just like the policeman in Lake In the Hills, where the Hiawatha house was, my forever home, the monster won and he recaptured me, to take me into the depths of hell…known as Rhode Island. No one could ever do anything for me. Most of the time they didn’t even try. It was like one of those bad dreams where you try to yell and scream but nothing comes out…or nobody hears you…but this wasn’t a dream…it was reality. Being suspended in one spot, that is what my life is, a nightmare where you can’t move, can’t scream and can never wake up! So now it was off to the airport to fly that aeroplane. We were in the terminal, the monster, my sister, and I. Once again, I caused a scene, and ran, with no exact destination except away, away from the monster. I ran behind the protection of the airport guard, behind his post of duty and justice. I told him some fake story…I’m not too sure what, or maybe I did tell it like it really was, a kidnapping. We were taken to a separate room, soon after where my sister and I were explaining the story to the airport cop. He gave us two choices, to go on the airplane, or to stay and go to foster care, where I would never see my mom nor my sister again. That’s what they told me. So, what was better, to go with the monster, or to stay and never see my mom or sister again?

The airport police told me that if I went with the monster that I would surly get the whole thing straightened out, and I would be back home to Illinois in a week. That’s what they said, a week. Just to let you know, I was not released from the monster’s grasp for 29 months and 3 days. Liars. That’s what they are …Liars. If only I knew. If only I knew.

One major dilemma in my situation was that if I went with the monster to Rhode Island, then my mother would not be able to come and rescue me. Why? Because the monster had his goons ready to arrest her as soon as she came into Rhode Island. So I told this to the monster, explaining his devious trick…..so he came up with a contract that would call off his goons. I was handed a red pen. I thought hard. I was so scared…then I signed the paper with my own blood, I signed my life away. My sister followed and then we walked on to the plane as quiet as stone…on our trip to hell.

Take that Aeroplane
Off in the distance,
Scraping the Sky,
Goodbye Life,
Goodbye World,
Going off in the distance,
On the Aeroplane to Hell,
Take that Aeroplane.
Take that Aeroplane.

Chapter 7
Temples
A long time ago, when life was perfect, back in Illinois, before the monster came…back in the era of the good life…. When I look back, that’s what I called it. "The era of the good life” where things were perfect. Back when I met my two best friends in the world. It’s funny. We only knew each other for a summer and haven’t seen each other in three years, yet we’re still the best friends we have ever had. We had tons of adventures together… timeless adventures... Chronicles of our friendship. If we had a fight between us, or just wanted to sit and think together, that is when we went to the temples. The temples were places where great wars of earth occurred before man was born. They were preserved spots of beauty, a memorial to the forces who lost the earthly wars.

There were two temples, the blueberry temple and the flower temple. The blueberry temple was the first temple that we found. IT was located under a road bridge over the lake, but its beauty was hidden to the casual passerby. It was hidden unless you walked down the narrow ditch to the bottom of the bridge. The temple had a clear pure stream that flowed in the softest, most peaceful way…pure and simple. It led under the bridge and into the sacred lake. There were wild blueberries all around. Upon entering this sacred spot, you had to sing the song of the temple. The song that told of the war long ago.

Why Mister Blueberry?
Why not Mrs. Honeybee?
Why, Oh Why..
Why, Oh why.

The temple is the site where the blueberry race was washed away, and the honeybees were left behind.Every time we visited the temple we re-enacted with the blueberries, washing them away in the stream The flower temple was less important. It was located in a deep ditch under another bridge on the opposite side of the “Kingdom”…where the lake ended and a dam was formed, where a new stream sprang to life. There were flowers all over and we had to practice the sacred ritual to respect the flowers by picking one and throwing its pedals into the stream…to be carried to the beyond. Either way, the temples were special, and brought us all together. The temples will always be there, for the next generation of adventurers that find it.

Chapter 8
Letters from a Political Worm
Once upon a time, there was a political worm, who lived in the monster’s State. This worm was in cahoots with the monster and held a high position in the kingdom of the monster. The monster called a favor upon the worm. This favor was evil and underhanded, and outlawed by the kingdom. The worm agreed, and completed the favor. What was the favor, you ask? Why, it was the letters from the political worm to the corrupt figure of justice…high on his stand, with black robes on and a gavel at hand. The letters ruined my life, and granted the monster permission to come to the kingdom of the temples and kidnap me from my “forever home”. So it was granted. It was done. Political worms, however, do not get far…and one day…one day…the political worm will be squashed and his life will be ruined, just as he ruined others in his devious ways. The political worm’s name was (Senator) Jack.

Chapter 9
 Trapped in the Kingdom of the Monster
I was in the dark chamber of my room, wallowing in my sorrows. I felt trapped. It was one of those dreams where you try to talk, to scream, to yell, but nothing comes out, and no one notices. I felt so trapped. I was crying hysterically, unable to quite grasp what had just gone on.. I am strong now… but then, my integrity was as weak as saran wrap. What was I to do now…? I was so alone. No one to help. No one would believe me, because the Monster had once again put on his human Mask, and tricked all the people into not believing what I said. There was no one I could turn to.. I think it was the first night of being in the monster’s lair, when an authority came to the house. He came to tell me to stop crying… no, he came to make me stop crying. This authority was as wicked as the monster, his clothes a deep evil blue. He threatened me several ways. First, by insults, calling me a girl and a whole bunch of other crap… Then he went on to physical threats, coming in my face screaming at me that if I don’t stop, and leave this “poor man” alone (the monster) then he would smack me from here to across the room... If I wanted someone to yell threats in my face, then I would join the army. Next it was the threats of jail, and going to a juvenile hall… remember all’s I did was cry. But can you blame me. The fear instilled in me. I was so terrified I eventually stopped crying. But this stage was much worse than not crying. It was like I was going crazy, I was so terrified… of everything. This stage is not good at all. Instead of crying, it is screams of pain, shivers of horror, yelps of sorrow. That is the "Dark Stage” No one should ever have to feel the horror stage. Ever… It’s that bad.

Chapter 10
Why Don’t You Just Run Away?
Why don’t you Fight Back?
“Why don’t you just run away?”
People ask. Why. “I would if I were in your shoes”… People don’t understand. You can never put yourself in someone’s shoes. It’s impossible… can’t be done. For those people aren’t you, don’t have your personality, and never quite see the situation right. It can’t be done. So, why didn’t I run away? Now, that it’s all over, even I try to say to myself “Why didn’t you run away?”. Well, I suppose for a couple of reasons. I always thought about it, so its not like I didn’t think of it… no. I planned great escapes, perfect weekends to do it… what I would take with me, and all those other details. I suppose I never ran away because I didn’t have the strength to… not physically, but mentally. I just couldn’t do it. Also, it was the looming terror of what would happen if I got caught. The monster would surely be angry. And when he was angry, he was scary, sometimes overturning the couch. It was terrifying. The fear that he instilled in me worked, in some ways. I was never the type of kid to fight, and I never had an ongoing conflict with the Monster because of the fear. I was too scared of what would happen, and once again I did not have the mental strength to keep it up. So, I had to agree with the monster most times and act like everything was OK. But it surely wasn’t. I did fight back though, in two ways. One way, was the arguments every once and a while with the monster… Arguments about him stealing us. Some were worse than others, but all were terrifying. The second way I fought back was through my silent war. Several battles in my silent war were such things as flushing the toilet a lot, running the faucet, trying to run up the water bill, leaving the lights on, and the most childish one… not taking everyday showers. I thought by doing this, I could be difficult and maybe even force the monster to give up. But no, the silent war did nothing of the sort; it just made me more of a sad mental case.

Chapter 11
Surviving the Life that Never Was
I don’t know how I survived the ordeal with the monster. But now I’m stronger much stronger. I can stand things most grown-ups can’t. I’m a survivor. It was hard then dealing with the everyday pain. The Dark Stage didn’t come often, but after you get it once, some symptoms stay within you forever. Like wanting to scream out in pain, that feeling is always there. Although now it is a scream of revenge, wanting to tear the monster into pieces, wanting to hear the monster scream in pain and scream for its life… wanting to see it shiver in fear. It is hard to suppress those feelings sometimes, especially when the monster comes to visit for old time’s sake. All that doesn’t seem to matter now, the main thing that has been bothering is the pain of the life that never was. The life that never was is so hard to survive. It makes you cry, wishing the Monster never came that one November 5th. The life that never was, was a good life. I had a taste of it before the Monster came. It was so happy; it was as if it came out of a storybook. The great childhood adventures, the childhood games, the childhood characters. They have all disappeared, and only their ghosts remain. It’s not fair, I never had my childhood, at passed me by. Maybe it skips a generation, or maybe I did something to not disserve it. My childhood was replaced by the Era of the Monster. I miss it all so much, the “Forever Home” the Perfect neighborhood, the best friends in the world the good life… It’s just so hard to explain how perfect and wonderful things were… although the pre-childhood wasn’t much better… it so much better off than the Era of the Monster. Still I survive the ghosts of the life that never was. I still survive. Although, I do have the chance to take that last minute detour to the last few miles of that life… I’m just too scared… but you never know, the life that never was, may be the life that is…

Chapter 12
Giving Up
After 29 months, it felt like time to give up. I was starting to lose grip of my life again. I spent so many nights looking up at the ceiling, wishing, hoping…. And it was all fading away. I was ready to let go. We were all giving up hope. The Monster had won. No matter how many times we went to court. No matter how many times of playing musical judges…

We had basically come to the last family court judge in the building that had not been on our case. It did not look good. The monster had the Political Worm, and a Chief of Court, and he held all the cards, pulled all the strings, it was the end. There was no way I was going to live my life with the Monster, and there was no way we could win our case, as obvious as it seemed to all who watched, there was no hope. So I was basically coming to my last resort. Things were bad in the lair of the Monster, tension was high. I was ready to use my last resort. Planning how to do it. Hoping it would be my ticket out of this horrible house. I cracked. There was no more strength left in me, no more hope, no more will to live on. I was ready to do anything to get out. Although I wanted to use my last resort so many times, I didn’t. Because I couldn’t bear to hurt my mother, I couldn’t make her cry. But this… This was it. Nothing was worth living for anymore, and the lifeline of my mother was slipping away. I just kept waiting telling myself tomorrow, tomorrow.

We were waiting for the decision of the courts for so so long. If we lost, then it was time for the last resort.

On the last day, I came home from school, and immediately I could tell something was wrong in the house. It was just a feeling… but a sure one. Liz was quiet. Dad was yelling on the phone. Something was terribly terribly wrong. I sat and waited. Not knowing what happened. I went into my room. There, I sat next to my sister. I asked her worriedly, what was wrong. She whispered something in my ear… I started to cry. I kept trying to hold it back, but the tears were coming to my eyes, and weren’t going to stop at anything…

We won.
We won,
we won,
we won won won.

Was it true? Or was it a dream? Oh I was so happy I was crying, crying with tears of great joy. Ohhhhh The Monster was MAD even he didn’t believe it. When he got off the phone he grumbled the news to us. Then started screaming his head off… He went on and on about something, but I couldn’t help but laugh. It was odd, laughing and crying at the same time. Sadly, he would not let my mom have us yet. He was in such disbelief. We won our case fair and square. No tricks up our sleeves or anything. However the ghost of the horrors is always with me no matter what. But at least we were freed from the monsters wicked grasp. Soon enough, we were with my mom again. The monster is an evil filthy thing. Don’t ever be a Monster. Monsters have no feelings, and nothing ever hurts them, and you can never get through to them. They are pure darkness, they are evil. Like I said before, I wish I had one of those lives that makes people laugh, and feel good about themselves. But I never will have that life. But I will have this story, and I have to tell it. Although the Monster is still up to his devious tricks and will never stop I have to keep on going. This is my story, this is my life. This is the story of the Boy, the Monster, and the Life that Never Was.


 
Femfree's Note. This story was originally submitted to our MSN NPD site about 2004, by the boy's mother, and I agreed to post it on our site there. The boy was 17 at the time.  The boy had written this at school and his coach urged him to write a book about his experiences. I hope he has. It is very rare to see such a young person with such insight into the cold mind of the Narcissist.
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12/24/2011 7:11 AM


femfree
Re :   Boundaries/How to Win the Word War


Putting our Knowledge into Action

"When you stop rewarding manipulative tactics by ceasing to cooperate, comply, please, acquiesce, apologize or respond to intimidation or threats," Dr. Braiker writes, "you will unilaterally alter the nature of the manipulative relationship."
How to Break the Cycle of Manipulation
and Regain Control of Your Life," 
by Dr. Braiker


You’ve probably heard the joke about the tourist in New York who stops a man with a violin under his arm and asks for directions to Carnegie Hall. “You want to know how to get to Carnegie Hall?” replied the violinist” Practice, practice, practice.”

We all know those familiar directions, and most of us are able to recognize the relationship between practice and mastery in many aspects of life. But when it comes to making important changes in our lives, we often expect results overnight. The unavoidable truth is that learning new skills takes practice, and it may be awhile before you’re comfortable using them.

Step-One Stop
Patty felt a little bewildered when I told her that the first thing any target of emotional blackmail has to do is nothing. How do you do nothing? Well, the first thing you need to do is give yourself time to think – away from the pressure. To do this, you’ll need to learn some time-buying phrases that will slow things down.

I don’t have an answer for you right now.
I need some time to think.
This is too important to decide quickly.
Let me think about it.
I’m not willing to make a decision right now.

Emotional Blackmail
By Susan Forward, PhD With Donna Frazier
Excerpts
Susan Forward's Excerpts




T
HE AMBUSH
We can all understand why it feels so awkward running into him. I hope you find this very easy and simple way works for you. It's recommended by professionals and authors we've met along the road here.

You will run into him, he's going to make sure of that. Ns are rather gifted at knowing just the right moment to appear for maximum impact and that dreaded street-corner encounter or tap on the shoulder.

So like Olympic athletes are prepare for this to happen. We do the same. Mentally prepare for the upcoming encounter.

Let's create a scenario with your N we'll call Nick.

You round the corner of the grocery shelves, packed high and you don't see him (he's seen you and set this up however) and you bump right into him.

He plays it cool, making sure that it's you who bumps into his cart. Normal social grace here would indicate you apologize, right? However, you've rehearsed just such an incident and all you say is "Hi Nick" (normal speaking tone of voice as confident as you can muster.)

Here's the way you play this out.

You don't say anything more. 

With the briefest of social smiles, you move the cart out of his way and turn and make your way down the aisle towards the cashier. You say nothing more.

If anybody's going to talk now, it's going to be the N. You've already turned the tables on him.

Now you just use rehearsed stock phrases that he can't chip away at.

He asks if he can take you for coffee...
You say "No, I don't think so."
He asks "why?" - You just give him the stare saying nothing at all.
Never respond to unwanted questions. Say nothing at all.
He tries to make small talk. You just give him a swift polite smile saying nothing.

He asks an outright question. You get an annoyed look on your face, check your watch and say "I'm very busy right now Nick, I need to go."

He gets uppity and says "What's the matter with you I'm just trying to be friendly." You: "I'm sorry you feel that way. I need to go Nick, I'm running late."

Him "Where are you headed too in such a hurry?" You. "I really am late Nick, don't concern yourself about it."

THE JADE RULE: Do not Justify, Argue, Defend or Explain.




How Verbal Self Defense Works, Suzette Haden Elgin, PhD

Suppose somebody has come at you with an attack like "WHY can't I ever FIND anything around this place? Do you HIDE STUFF just to be annoying, or WHAT??" Don't take the bait. Don't start claiming that you don't hide things; don't start explaining your system for putting things in their places; don't start yelling that the attacker is the one who misplaces everything or is just too stupid to be able to find anything; don't just yell, "Get out of my FACE, you creep!" All those responses reward the attacker and make you a participating verbal victim.

Instead, say something like this: "People get irritated when they can't find things."
"It's very annoying not to be able to find things."
"Misplaced tools [or books, or supplies, or whatever] cause problems in every workplace [or home, or clinic, or whatever]."
"Nothing is more distressing than having to hunt for things."

When I'm asked to teach just one quick technique that can be used in lots of situations and is easy to learn, I teach the Boring Baroque Response (BBR). Suppose you have to deal with someone who is forever coming at you with hostile attacks like "WHY can't you EVER do your share of the WORK around here??" and "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??" and "WHY don't you stop DRESSING like a NERD??"

What your attacker wants is an interaction that goes roughly like this:

X: "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??" YOU: "Whadda you MEAN? I DON'T eat a lot of junk food!" X: "Oh, NO? What about that DOUGHNUT I saw you eating ten minutes ago?" YOU: "Listen, I didn't have time to eat breakfast! I NEEDED that doughtnut!" X: "Oh, yeah? Well what about that PIZZA you ordered yesterday afternoon...." And so on...

This gives your attacker a chance to run you through a long list of complaints about the way you eat, and to demonstrate his or her power to really get you going. Even if you come out of this thinking that you have "won the argument," you've lost -- because the attack worked, and the attacker got what he or she wanted. People like your attacker are like little kids who'd rather be punished than ignored: If the only way they can get your full attention is to get your negative attention, they'll settle for that.

Instead of falling for this tactic, use a Boring Baroque Response. Your attacker has come at you with "WHY do you eat SO MUCH JUNK food??" And here's what you say, while you stare not at the attacker but off into space, as if you were thinking deep thoughts.

"You know, I think it's because of something that happened to me when I was just a little kid. We were living in Detroit at the time, and... No, wait a minute! It couldn't have been Detroit, it must have been when we were living in Indianapolis, because that was the summer my Aunt Grace came to visit us and brought her dog. You know those funny little dogs with the big ears that stick out? Well, this dog...." [And so on, for as long as it takes.]

A response like this delivers the following message: "I notice that you're here to pick a fight. Do that if you like, but it's not going to be much fun for you, because I won't play that game." Listening to a BBR is excruciatingly boring. The most usual result is that by the time you've gotten to the part about your aunt's dog the attacker is already saying, "Oh, never MIND!" and leaving in a hurry -- while making a mental note that you're no fun as a victim and shouldn't be chosen for that role in future.

When the attack comes in the form of a statement instead of a question, as in "ALL YOU DO is stuff your face with JUNK food!!", just begin with "You know, hearing you say that reminds me of something that happened to me when I was just a little kid...." and so on. If you need a hifalutin version, say it reminds you of "an article I read only the other day in the New York Times. No, wait a minute.... It couldn't have been the New York Times. It must have been the Washington Post , because that's the one that comes on Thursday and Eileen always gets it before anyone else and....." . The BBR is also the best way to deal with none-of-their-business questions and comments from strangers. Like, "Oh, what a cute baby! It looks Chinese! [Or Spanish. Or whatever. The nosy stranger's point is that whatever the baby looks like, it doesn't look like it shares your ethnic heritage.] Where did you GET it?" Just remember one thing: You have to do the BBR straight. If you sound sarcastic or patronizing or hostile, it becomes a counterattack and it won't work.

Suppose a two-year-old runs at you screaming "YOU BIG MEANY! I don't LIKE you!" and starts pounding on your knees with tiny fists. Your amygdala doesn't pay the slightest attention. You know the toddler is no threat to you, you understand what causes such episodes, and you have better sense than to get involved in a fight with the poor little kid. The key here is that you understand what's going on, and that lets you stay detached and rational.
How Verbal Self Defense Works, Suzette Haden Elgin, PhD
http://people.howstuffworks.com/vsd.htm


 

Reprinted from our Page "Advice from the Professionals"

UNSOLICITED CONTACT:
Q. "Help. N just sent me a Happy Birthday text message. I knew he would do that today, but now I don't know what to do." Would I look like I am taking the high road if I reply with Thanks. If I don't reply I look bitter....Please help....

A. "Do not worry about how you seem to an N. He sent you a text, it requires NO response. Maybe you WANT to send him one, due to old feelings or maybe just because you're a nice person and hate to be rude. Either way - even if it's for a million other reasons - what you MUST consider, unfortunately, is how he would perceive the RESPONSE. Not how he'd perceive you, but how he'd perceive the response. Answer: Distortedly. So, the only question that remains is do you want to take a chance at entering into a text relationship with someone who will distort most or all of what you say and do??? I hope you give yourself a real birthday gift and decide NO. But if you don't - we'll be here!"




An Example of Validating a Child's Feelings - "I want Mama!"

When someone is experiencing a strong feeling, sometimes we
"try to help" by telling her or him "it's not so bad."  This attempt
to minimize the negative experience -- to save someone from
the struggle, actually undermines the effort to help.

Sometimes when Max wakes up from his naps, he's sad --
especially when his mama isn't home.  Since Patty often uses
naptime for her work, I've struggled to keep wakeup time from
being a descent into wailing. Yesterday when he woke up, I practiced recognizing his feelings without fixing or correcting.

"I want Mama," sulked Max, somehow accusing me for being the wrong parent.

My initial impulse was to react with hurt and say, "Well she's not here and I am, so take or leave it, bub."  I resisted, and instead
said lovingly, "You really want Mama, don't you?"

"Yes," replied a slightly-less-vexed Max.

I forgot my plan for a moment, and shifted to "reality" saying, "I'm sorry she's not here, Maxie, but I'll snuggle with you." I
was thinking, "She's going to be here in ten minutes, it's not that bad!" I suspect he heard my effort to minimize his feelings:

"GO Away Daddy. I want MAMA," re-escalated Max.

Again, part of me felt rejected and wanted to go away.  Instead, I
chose to speak to the want that Max was expressing.  I sat down on
his bed and said, "I really miss her too.  It's sad when she's not
home."

"Yah," admitted Max, reaching out closer to me.

"She's such a good snuggler, and so warm and just right.  I love her
so much too -- sometimes I really miss her."

"Yah," affirmed Max, now snuggling close to me.

"I wish we could both snuggle with her right now.  She could hold
you close, and we could all squeeze into your little bed.  And we'd
just have a lovely snuggle."

Suddenly, Max changed gears and spoke in his "you-silly-Daddy
voice" -- "But my bed isn't big enough."

When I gave into the impulse to "solve" the situation by telling
Max the facts,  I was forgetting (again) that facts are not relevant
to the emotional brain.  When I say, "You know Mama's going to be
home soon, right?" I'm also saying, "You should not feel sad."
While my impulse may be kind, it's actually dismissive.

Max wanted his mama, facts wouldn't change that. When I stopped
"fixing it" and participated in his world, I let him feel that I
truly understood his feelings.  In the end, he knew I understood,
and that let him move on.

It's fairly easy to see this in child of two-and-a-half -- but
the premise is true for people of all ages. Feelings are real,
even when the causes don't make sense to another person.  And
when people are sad, understanding is infinitely more precious
that facts.

By Josh Freedman, found on
http://eqi.org/valid.htm



 



12/22/2011 8:42 AM


femfree
Topic :   ECHO NO LONGER - Recovery of the N's Partner by Mary Ann Borg Cunen, M.A. Counselling Psychology


Echo No Longer
The Recovery Process of the Partner of the Person Suffering from a Narcissistically Impaired Personality

© Mary Ann Borg Cunen, M.A. Counselling Psychology (Baltimore, U.S.A.) Oct. 2002

Please find enclosed a paper which I wrote for a conference about Emotional and Psychological Abuse held October 2002 in St. Julians, Malta. You may circulate it freely as long as my particulars are included.

I wish to thank you for providing me with much of the material which helped me make sense of my experience with clients in this situation. I hope we can together be of help.
Mary Ann Borg Cunen , M.A. Counselling Psychology (Baltimore, U.S.A.)

This excellent document is most often recommended as a first-stop for new members. It is full of validation and knowledge. Reading time is approximately 22 minutes so grab a cuppa and enjoy.

Thank you to Ms. Borg Cunen for your kind permission to copy your important paper here.


Excerpts:

"Moving on, without closure - To come back to the ever-seductive pull of the N, the partner finds she has to do all the work of putting an end to the relationship herself. The N will always want to keep it open-ended, to keep his hold on the partner."

"The realization that the relationship is over because the N has devalued the partner is often experienced as a trauma. Partners often remark that this final realization came suddenly and as a consequence the partner of the N has many symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) including sleepless nights, flash backs, startle reflexes, and uncontrollable crying fits. These symptoms may last for months."

"Narcissists are so much trouble that only people with prior training (i.e. who were raised by narcissists) get seriously involved with them." In this kind of environment the child learns that asserting one's 'true self' will be met with (often serial) rejection, to which the child responds by substituting 'compliant' behaviour in place of true selfhood."

"As a psychiatrist was once heard saying “Ns are the bread and butter of the therapeutic enterprise, not because they so often seek professional help—they are too impressed with themselves to ever think they have a problem—but because they drive so many people around them crazy.”

However I wish to emphasize very strongly that being in relationship with an N changes a person (momentarily) and it is easy to become dependent, insecure and clinging. I recommend that counselors and psychotherapists withhold diagnosis of a person in this situation unless they knew her before or until they have seen the “freed” version of the individual."



In the past few years I have come across an increasing number of persons suffering from NPD and also an increasing number of individuals whose partners seem to be narcissistically disordered. Through my practice I have met clients at the various stages of this process and each stage has its characteristics as regards both the state of the relationship, and the emotional state of the partner. I have also followed the correspondence of an international Internet based support group alled "narcissisticabuse" coordinated by S. Vaknin. Many of the comments I will be using to illustrate my presentation are taken from there, and from the "Narcissism Book of Quotes' collected by the same author. I will be using the masculine pronoun, as most Ns are male. (Note click the above link for free download of The Narcissism Book of Quotes.)


Narcissism is usually described by a list of behaviours most of which involve the individual himself. Here I will focus more of the way narcissism interferes with relationships. I believe that there is no better way to diagnosis a narcissist than to look at his relationships and at how his Narcissistic Abuse Study List ex partners have been effected by him.


In describing the victims of narcissists Patrick Hurst's has suggested the
diagnosis of EPD, Echo Dependent Personality to describe type of person who is so good at reflecting and affirming another but is lacking in a solid sense of self. "Echo has been captivated by the voice of another of which she is a mere reflection. Echo and Narcissus fit together perfectly; neither is able to initiate and sustain dialogue".


A characteristic predisposing background of EPD involves individuals being parented by caretakers who are themselves self-absorbed, narcissistic, or overly punitive. In the words of Joanna Ashmun : "Narcissists are so much trouble that only people with prior training (i.e. who were raised by narcissists) get seriously involved with them." In this kind of environment the child learns that asserting one's 'true self' will be met with (often serial) rejection, to which the child responds by substituting 'compliant' behaviour in place of true selfhood. Such compliant behaviour can then be witnessed as a stable feature throughout the child's growing-up years, with other school children, and within the family. These may feel "at home" who takes control, belittles and is emotionally cut off. (Hurst, 1998).


 
Types of "Echo"

In the introduction to commentaries about the story from Greek mythology we find the appropriate warning: "It is important to note that Narcissus had many lovers, both men and women, so this treatment of Echo is not meant to be a description of every person who has had a relationship with a narcissist. Echo can be seen as just one of a myriad of different personalities who found herself caught within the spell of Narcissus."


Some persons may find themselves drawn to one N after another, perhaps unable to learn from the experience, or alternatively needing to work something out intrapersonally through being with an N. Having been parented by an N. often predisposes an individual to seek this dynamic again with a partner.


S. Vaknin and other theorists assert that many partners are 'inverted Ns' people who live out their Narcissism through their chosen N. A famous, highly visible N or one with undeniable potential may gather a following of inspiring minor Ns.


A complicated combination, but one often found, is that of an N in relationship with person suffering from borderline personality disorder.


(See J. Lachkar's book entitled "the Narcissistic/Borderline Couple; A
Psychoanalytic Perspective on Martial Therapy). With the Ns need for
detachment and distance and the BPD 's need not to feel abandoned this relationship causes major stress and conflict.


I have also met many altruistic, empathic rescuers in this situation. While
some of these can be seen as suffering from EPD others are well defined individuals; I believe these get in touch intuitively with N need for love and self-acceptance, and think they can heal this person if they only love them enough. The implication of this, of course, is that if he does not improve it is their fault. So they try even harder.


The need for someone to idealize, admire, look to for guidance is perhaps an especially. dangerous one. When these persons are let down by their Ns they may sink into a loss of hope wider than pain of the abusive relationship itself.


However I wish to emphasize very strongly that being in relationship with an N changes a person (momentarily) and it is easy to become dependent, insecure and clinging. I recommend that counselors and psychotherapists withhold diagnosis of a person in this situation unless they knew her before or until they have seen the "freed" version of the individual. The contrast is sometimes striking. I have seen spirited, assertive, self-assured young women fall under this spell.


"I became this dependent, fearful, insecure person about one year into my relationship with my N. I did not trust my thoughts, my feelings, and my intuition. I shut off all of these so I could fit in with my N and become what he wanted of me. Just a year before I had been this confident, self-directed, independent woman. None of my friends would ever have described me as dependent."


 
I will now describe the seven phases I have observed whilst working with this type of client and reading the support group contributions.

Phase 1: Flying to the stars 

The attraction to the N. is easy to understand. They are often competent, energetic, persons in positions of responsibility. They put themselves across as knowledgeable, interesting, and well connected. The N may be intimidating, mesmerizing, and even larger then life. Or they may be haughty but quiet. But have many skills which are minor manifestations of their disorder: An ability to see things in a new way, a freedom of thought; creativity even, a way of looking at things from a distance.seeing the whole picture instead of getting lost in the details, or in emotions. Their need for control has often led them into positions of leadership. This same need for control makes them question the usual status quo and many are rebels or freethinkers. But all secretly seek acclaim and recognition.

These are some of the comments made about the relationship with the N. in the initial stage:

"When I met my N I thought I had just met the most wonderful person ever born! Nice, kind, talented, intelligent, even caring and concerned.

"In the beginning he was treating me like a Queen. He acts like I am 'the one', the 'kindred friend' that he's never had before."

"At first the relationship with the N was too good to be true".

At this stage it all looks like a fairy tale come true. Both the N. and the partner are idealizing the other, as is the case in most new relationships.

They have made each other gods...the answer to all their searching for the perfect mate.

"My heart was his and I was overwhelmed by loving feelings. He seemed the same expressing his emotions and feelings and making me feel I belong ever so much."

Using other people as her "blood bank" or as Sam Vaknin refers to as "narcissistic supply" (N.S.) requires that the narcissist be a human
emotional radar. He must be psychologically astute and shrewd so that he can "size up" everyone he encounters for his or her potential to be his 'blood-donor'; the one who provides adoration and admiration in vast,
unconditional amounts. Often this involves making the partner feel that she has unusual qualities that make her irresistible to the N; e.g. that they are soul mates, uniquely able to understand and support him. This feeds on the narcissism of the partner as she wishes to be like the esteemed loved one.

Cynically using other people also requires that the narcissist be lacking in empathy. A test suggested by Maria Hsia Chang is to withhold approval and compliments from the N. She predicts that "You will discover that,
overnight, the narcissist has lost her/his kindness and even simple civility. Do not be fooled by her simulations at empathy."

More than to lure people into his web, the narcissist's mask also conceals the false self from scrutiny. Concealment requires secrecy, evasion, dishonesty, and lying. The main method of concealment used at this stage is "not saying the whole truth" and evasion of questions about his past.

From my experience this stage will last as long as the uncritical admiration on the part of the partner continues. However others (e.g. J. A. Ashmun, 1998) have commented that to bring this stage to an end, it is enough for the victim to become devoted to the N and to declare her love. This will make the N. feel he can now drop energy draining pretences." And if you object to being treated like an appliance then they will say that obviously you don't really love them or else you'd let them do whatever they want with you."

Two years after a partner wrote of her experience:

"It is clear to me [now] how I had been the one to offer unconditionally all that he needed to fuel his false self!!


Phase 2

Becoming a Satellite

The next stage is a bewildering one. The N seems to absorb their partner into their intrapsychic world. Some partners find themselves practically mesmerized by the N. The Ns are mirror hungry and they cause the other to be their idealizing mirror. The focus on himself that the N. forces is very seductive. She fades into the background. She is only there to help the N to express himself, to admire him, and to support him.

One of the features of this world is indifference to social norms.

Being grandiose and superior, the narcissist refuses to subscribe to society's moral rules and ethical standards. Instead, morality is subjective: "Nobody can judge me." another characteristic of modern western society.

"They think they are untouchable, inhabitants of a special world, one parallel to ours but never touching. Outlandish behaviour is the N's hallmark. They can draw other unsuspecting, and usually respectable, people into their criminal or pseudo-criminal activities."

The partner of Ns find themselves also adapting their lifestyle to the wishes of the N. Many loose contact with friends. Friends may see through the N. more clearly from a distance and warn the partner to no avail).

Lost in a cloud 

The partner is in fact losing contact with herself. But she does not realize this yet. In the words of an ex-victim:

"The asymmetry is visible only when you're out though ... my experience whilst in the 'fog' was of something weird but boundary-less, maybe even a bit mystical. What an illusion! The illusion of mutuality, I call it!!"

My guess is that there are some types of personality that do not allow this to happen and they move away from the relationship at this stage with only a sense of having met a weird guy, but others remain seduced, trapped in the web.

The next point is made by a support group member reply to another:

"What you are saying here is SO important -- how your energy became enmeshed with his until you could not tell whose feelings you were feeling, his or yours. I used to work on this same thing every single day, but it made me feel like I was insane. After all, do "normal" people not know whose feelings they're feeling?? Once or twice, I tried to explain it to my sister or to a friend, but when you say it out loud, they look at you like they haven't a clue what you're talking about and you have just maybe gone off the deep end! I don't think I've ever gotten enmeshed like this before in any other relationship, to the point where I didn't know where I ended and the other person began, have you? I think you're right. A lot of the misery and unhappiness and guilt I felt were the N's projections onto me. What amazes me is how totally open and receptive I was to that. I was like a sponge. I just uscked it right up and thought it was ME. Or was it me?"

The blurring of personal boundaries that happens to a certain extent in all relationships happens here in a lop-sided manner with partner of the N identifying too fully with the Ns world.

"Ns install a mental filter in our heads a little bit at a time. Before we know it, everything we do, say, or think, goes through this filter. 'Will he get upset if I do/say/think this? Will he pprove/disapprove? Will he feel hurt by this?' Until we can uninstall the N-filter, our actions are
controlled by N to some degree."

"It was the losing of myself that caused me the most anguish. I could feel it, like a brain washing, like a vampire, and he claimed he didn't know anything was wrong, didn't know what I meant when I said I was sad all the time and couldn't trust a word he said."

Some partners of Ns sense the hidden vulnerability of the N and wish to heal the wound that they intuit. This again is very seductive for some and is one of the main reasons for the difficulty in getting free from the relationship.

"I know "now" helping them the best I can is a big part of my life mission. They are like autistic children. They stare at you blankly, don't appear to understand emotions, have conversations that make no sense, and are non-relational."

"The point is, I was getting sick and mad, was losing weight and concentration at work. I'm the typical co-dependent, I know. and I really thought the power of love would help."

One manifestation of this inability to accept themselves is an inability to talk openly about themselves. As S.Vaknin observed one can discuss all the aspects of the intimate life of a narcissist, "providing the discourse is not 'emotionally tinted'. If asked to relate directly to his emotions, he will, probably, intellectualize, rationalize, speak about himself in the third person and in a detached "scientific" tone or write a short story with a fictitious character in it, suspiciously autobiographical." It is notoriously difficult to get the N to talk about his painful past experiences, as long as the N does not sense that if he does it will increase his NS. This can be understood by a sensitive, responsive partner as an invitation to coax the N to befriend himself more and be more "in touch" with himself. She may see herself as uniquely capable of this. Thus the web is wrapped ever more tightly.

The combination of the previous two points leads to the next one: made by a wise support group member:

"I also think a good portion of your feeling wounded might possibly really belong to him, meaning you are feeling his woundedness, not to say that "you" aren't wounded too, For myself, what I have experienced is a sense of dooming that my ex dumped on me, in a sense I was feeling his longing and neediness more then my own for a long time. I went through a time where I was so confused about what I was feeling period, his stuff or mine. It's taken time and learning to calm down with in myself. I took on his problems."

This phenomenon is what we sometimes refer to as projective identification.

"One partner wants to get rid of or destroy in the other, what the one partner does not like in the self and sees in the other" Lochkar, 1991) e.g. dependency needs. The N does not know himself, and knows his weaknesses even less. Instead of the insecurities of normal human beings, the narcissist exhibits an impassive and uncritical acceptance of himself. And projects much of his real self onto his partner. The partner is receptive for whatever reason.

"It's like the N's are vampires, feeding off our souls. They cannot acknowledge that they are wrong just as a vampire cannot face the sunlight. It would destroy them."

"One thing I do have to remind myself of all the time is this. They are always looking for who they are in someone else."


 
Phase 3: Confusion Reigns;
Riding the Roller Coaster

Communication 

From my experience many of the victims of Ns are decent, trusting, caring individuals.who are perhaps a little naive about the worse sides of human nature. They are in for a shock when they try talking thing over openly with an N:

From the support group:

"I believed that if truthful words are spoken, written, shared, they will be heard, and they will be answered. Not with a narcissist. You get sucker-punched in trying to explain something. There is no response to what is said. Words are deflected, twisted, questions answered with questions, non sequitors abound."

"Some Ns like to be MYSTERIOUS because it keeps them in control while you're dancing to FIGURE them out."

Trying to engage a narcissist in serious dialogue is a disconcerting experience because nothing he says makes sense. The N will often talk in cryptic and confusing messages in order to remain vague and ambiguous. The latest: e.g. of this I heard is of a N. telling his latest victim who has just confessed her love for him "I cannot be in love but I love" and he would not explain further. "The inability or unwillingness to be introspective, in turn, results in cognitive dissonance, cognitive gaps, and non sequiturs." (S. Vaknin).

Sudden shifts between sadism and altruism, abuse and 'love', ignoring and caring, abandoning and clinging, viciousness and remorse, the harsh and the tender produce in people around the narcissist emotional insecurity, an eroded sense of self worth, fear, stress, and anxiety, the feeling of 'walking on eggshells' (S.Vaknin).

A male support group member replies to another:

"That's exactly how it was! Vagueness, lack of commitment, rejection, hope, abandonment --- a crazy, uncertain roller coaster ride. I never knew where I stood, but when I was so rude as to ASK, I got only disgust and anger and blame. I was supposed to be some kind of perfect smiling plastic person who had no needs and made no demands. It wore me down so much. I kept trying, though --- trying to be perfect and sweet and uncomplaining, even when hurt and dumped and blamed. Isn't it right and normal and even healthy of me to want to shake her and scream at her and demand that she SEE what she has put me through."

On the other hand:

"When I don't go back and "oblige" everything is O.K."

"I went back to him a dozen times, each time somehow thinking it was different, that maybe now that we had addressed all the issues and brought everything into the open, and he admitted he had treated me badly. it would change. And it WOULD go back to (almost) how it had been, but each time that honeymoon period would last a shorter and shorter amount of time. It absolutely wrecked me - my self esteem has never been lower than during my years with him."

Control 

The relationship is changing. The leopard is starting to show his spots.

Nothing is equal in the relationship. He expects the partner to submit. It becomes slowly obvious that he cannot conceive of a "we". He gets very annoyed , even rageful at a lot of things the partner does or thinks. This he would vigorously deny if asked...to the great confusion of the partner. A very controlling aspect is starting to emerge, but again the N. is unaware of it and talks of himself in a way that portrays a very different person.

"It wasn't until a few months had passed that I began to feel something wasn't right and I was confused. I felt like I was on the verge of a nervous breakdown but couldn't put my finger on the problem (because I thought it was me) until I came here'.

"My life depends on how he is feeling, if he is in a good or bad mood. I am in constant fear."

"Judgmental behaviour began to appear all too soon though and with hindsight it should have been clear that my partner was not ready to accept views that were different from his own even on minor matters. A clear controlling aspect began to emerge".

"If it makes him feel better about himself to belittle you, he will do that, but the ultimate goal isn't to make you feel bad, the goal is perpetuate the myth of his own perfection and simultaneously control you. If by hurting you it gets you in check, makes you take on his failings as your own, and make you work twice as hard for his approval, it's a bonus for him. If he doesn't need to employ cruelty in order to accomplish either of the above goals, he won't. It's that simple." 

Isolation

The N often picks victims who have to keep the relationship secret because, for example, it is an extra-martial relationship. This provides them with a double advantage. They will not have to commit.thus they will avoid being controlled in that way, and secondly they will have more power in the relationship. A person having an extra-marital relationship or a relationship with someone who is not available e.g. a catholic priest, is very vulnerable. She cannot speak out about the abuse she is experiencing.

She cannot get advice and an outside perspective on the relationship from her friends and family. She has to look happy and "normal all the time at home causing her great psychological stress. And her isolation means only the Ns. Influence will prevail.

"N's count on our shame to keep their secrets. They know that exposing them means exposing our own failings. That's what makes them so powerful. They manipulate us into these situations then sit back and watch us squirm between protecting ourselves or blowing the whistle." 

Issues of Fidelity

One thing that often jolts the P into facing the situation is the discovery of repeated infidelity.

"He would tell women he loved them all at the same time, keeping each woman separate from the others."

"He will have a new female N supplier ASAP and you can bet he'll be parading her in front of you too."

Narcissist's sexual infidelity is notorious. Flirting and using their sexual attractiveness is a wonderful way of getting what they need most admiration and devotion. And a secondary gain will be putting the present partner in her place.

It is not because they value sex that much. In fact many can go without sex for months or even years without problems. They also can tease and frustrate their partners with this aspect of a relationship. Often they withhold sexually and relationally as a way of asserting their power and inflict pain. 


Hated and Envy

Theorists say that Ns harbor a hated for women which is only thinly veiled.

They also become envious and destructive of anything good that another has.

So if their partner is feeling secure and satisfied he will feel compelled to change that. His affairs may be secret and he will deny their existence very convincingly.but he'll make sure you find out about them.

"Yes I told him exactly what I think of him, his lies, his deceit, his lack of emotions, he is just an image not a real person . and I realize that not only did this not bother him, it actually made him feel great! He knows that he has a dramatic impact on my feelings and since he won't let me love him anymore, now he makes me hate him. This must really make him feel like he's one damn special and unforgettable person!"

N prefer to be notorious then to be ignored and hated..If they have many enemies, if they are feared and avoided, they take a preserve pleasure in this. Besides they can tell themselves that no one can understand them as no one can reach their level, thus taking pride in being different and unpopular.

"Only the most discerning individuals can know my worth and value."

By this time the partner of the N. has noticed that something is amiss in the relationship! But nothing is clear.


 
Phase 4: Hitting the dust-the change in the narcissist is too obvious to
take all the blame for 

If she expresses this as a complaint, a request for something different or
especially as a criticism she is in for trouble. This will probably set off the Ns's worst self. He will suddenly feel exposed seen for who he really feels he is deep with in himself. It may provoke the deflation of the grandiosity or set off efforts at warding off the threat of a more accurate view of the self. Whichever way it goes he will devalue the partner and start treating her like an enemy.

"He was mad at "me" for wanting something I had every right to want from him considering the time factor of our relationship and the closeness he led me onto. I was the bad person because I was scared to death about my future since he wasn't giving me anything to really hang onto that I could trust. And he hated me for laying the rope down on the line about commitment, no matter how many times I pleaded and tried to explain to him that I needed to have a future too."

"The most you can do is just accept that they blame you for things. It's one of the easiest things N's do, "blame". You're going to have to know that you are NOT to blame!"

The N. when he "changes" does so often suddenly and dramatically. In the words of a client: ".

"From being totally in love with me one day this person could just drop me the next, belittle me and put all blame on me over one episode where I disagreed with a decision (which involved both of us), he took on his own accord."

"I suddenly realized that I wasn't as stupid as I had grown to believe."

From the point of view of the N. his sense of pride or integrity has been wounded. This N. rage is a response to personal injury, a statement like "Here I've tried so hard and you make me look like a fool! You never appreciate all the things that I have done for you." At this moment they are expelled from their womb of self love and plunged into a free fall of destructive and uncontrollable impulses, awash in long repressed insecurity.

They quickly recover however, defenses coming to the rescue, helped along by their next N.S.

Narcissists are likely to treat people inconsistently because they are susceptible to "splitting", or projecting everything good on some people and everything bad on others. In other words, narcissists "divide the world into famous, rich, worthy and great people on the one hand, and the despicable, worthless 'mediocrity' on the other. They quickly pass a person from the "in" category to the " out" one, this especially in intimate relationships.

The false self must be impervious, which requires the narcissist to resist
self-examination and introspection. Doing so would open the narcissist to reality - based assessment--a dangerous undertaking because the false self is, by definition, unreal. As a consequence, instead of the insecurities of normal human beings, the narcissist exhibits an impassive and uncritical acceptance of himself.

The maintenance and protection of the false self also requires constant vigilance against attack. This is why the narcissist overreacts with rage and humiliation to any perceived criticism, no matter how minor or justified (S. Vaknin) 


Taking the blame

"And finding fault constantly, excessively and yes, making me out to be the one with the unforgivable faults and the one who isn't normal. All my efforts to do things properly were in vain."

This feeling that as a partner we have done something unforgivable is very common. Many partners of Ns. at this stage would do anything to return to how they were. They will take the blame for anything and everything if only the N would love them as he did in the beginning. There is no way out of the narcissistic catch: the narcissist despises, in equal measures, the submissive and the independent, the strong (who constitute a threat) and the weak (who are, by definition, despicable). No one will measure up to his standards .and if they do they would threaten him. Ns seem to prefer those inferior to him.to make his self-aggrandizement easier, but then he despises her as she puts him in a bad light."this is the only partner that you can attract," says an unconscious nagging doubt. If she is his equal he will try and destroy her even faster, to show his superiority.

"As I got to know him, the uneasiness shifted to a feeling of walking on eggshells since I never knew what action or word I might do would trip over one of his innumerable emotional landmines."

Trust betrayed

"I can recall so vividly his change, like a blade cutting sharply through me, like meeting another self!!!"

It often comes as a shock, a trauma the realization that the one the partner loved so much can be so feelingless, so cruel, so detached. It may become obvious that he does not consider the partner at all when important decision-making is concerned. And he does not seem to understand why that bothers her. He may suddenly disappear from her life.one of the most powerfully painful experience ever. It is a though he has exclaims as in the myth; ""Hands Off!" Embrace me not! May I die before I give you power o'er me!"

"And then I feel there is a time of confusion, maybe for me that was the beginning of breaking the illusory shell, and then the space of non-understanding, of not being able to make it."

"I suddenly realized that I wasn't as stupid as I had grown to believe." 

PTSD

The realization that the relationship is over because the N has devalued the partner is often experienced as a trauma. Partners often remark that this final realization came suddenly and as a consequence the partner of the N has many symptoms of PTSD including sleepless nights, flash backs, startle reflexes, and uncontrollable crying fits. These symptoms may last for months.

"The brutal change in him was all the more shocking because of what he had appeared to be. The devaluation was indescribable, unnerving, frightening.

His N rages used to burst forth several times a day. I found I was married to a total stranger, a Jekyll and Hyde who sometimes looked at me as if he didn't even know me. Exhausting is an understatement - it was like clinging to the edge of a cliff 24 hours a day."

Difficulty in explaining what happened

One painful fact is that when the experience is shared with friends or sometimes-even counsellors, it is difficult to communicate what has happened. The confusion that the P experiences make it difficult to recount
things clearly. The P. is still emotionally connected to the N, thus protecting him and accusing him alternatively. Many Ps will not name their Ns to counsellors or other helpers, thus protecting their identity. The hook, which the N has implanted in their heart, is hard to remove.

Also the break up is more painful then an ordinary one. Friends may find this difficult to understand. There is something devastating about the aftermaths of a relationship with an N.


 
Phase 5: Breaking the Spell: Run Trying Not to Look Back 


Feeling the power he still has over her some Ns. will keep on pursuing their partner after she has left him, as illustrated below. He may feel she still has a soft spot for him and that she will take him back. He exploits this, maybe to exercise his power. Maybe he also misses the early moments of "Flying to the Stars" and hopes his ex will again provide that magic mirror, or the reasons may be more utilitarian e.g. a place to stay. Whatever the reason the effect is an increased confusion and ambivalence in the ex partner. The personal boundaries of the partner were often not strong before the relationship started...and are weaker still after some years of self-confidence erosion.

"I stayed far away from him. But he would not leave me alone. I was extremely violated by this person and it took 7 years of intensive therapy to overcome the injuries I suffered because of him."

"It's a very good thing to be scared sometimes, especially when tempted to N-dip. It's not only our emotional well being at stake here. It can be our physical (health included) safety as well."

"My self esteem has never been lower than during my years with him".

The greatest temptation at this stage is to give him another chance. I have met partners of N who are cyclically hoping that he will see the light and change his ways. The power of their early experience with the N, when he was warm, perceptive, caring and protective prove to be a powerful hook; one that is very difficult to remove from one's heart.

"He was so convincing in his gentle, opened sensitive "mode". I still can't quite believe that that is not the real him, not the devil I have met in the later years. He seemed so sincere, so genuine.like a hurt but hopeful pure being. I cannot give up hope.." 

When 'Trying' is not successful

Others, for whatever reason, choose not to leave the relationship but continue to struggle within it. I received this feedback from a close friend in this situation when I was drafting this paper:

"Struggling to break the spell" This has certainly been my experience: struggling to not only see the reality of my husband (which I do only too well) but also, I guess, I have struggled to make him see himself as I see him which is not something that has helped the relationship of course!"

A question which keeps on coming up both in the support group and from my clients is: "If I tell him that he has a disorder will he accept it, will he change, go to therapy, work to change the way he relates to me". The sad answer is that Ns will not recognize themselves and will deny what you show them about themselves. They will, most likely, make the partner think that there is something wrong in her, that her perception has been distorted, that she, moreover, has betrayed their unique understanding.


 
Phase 6:
Picking up the Pieces: Trying to make Sense of the Experience and
Coping with the Loss and Anger 

Making sense is pretty complicated emotionally but can be summarized in one sentence rationally: In the words of an experienced partner:

"NPD is actually quite simple. When they want supply (adoration/veneration) they put on the whole show to obtain that supply. As the supply wanes, because no one can sustain all the time that high-octane adoration the N requires, then the N begins to get uneasy and devaluation sets in, followed by confusion and bewilderment on the part of the spouse/partner, who thinks s/he has done everything 'right'."

"The key for you is to learn as much as you can as fast as you can, and protect yourself financially and emotionally. Not too many people survive the devastation of a tornado. The N will not change, you must absolutely
keep this before your mind."

"I know it is hard for you right now.... But, with this time you can concentrate on getting back to You! Focus on all your good points, you inner strength and beauty. It will come back. I think it's something we all are struggling with, trying to figure out just who we really are. It's our inner light that keeps us strong."

"It is excruciating pain. It is the pain of separation, the pain of loss, the pain of dreams and expectations unrealized. It is the loss and death of a mirage."

Anger at what is finally Named as Abuse

At last the anger can be released...as the hope of getting back the "Garden of Eden" days fades. With distance the Ns games and manipulative ways can be seen more clearly.

"Maybe it is bad for me to wish her unfortunate times, but that is what she deserves I have never met anyone more evil than she is. It's the kind of evil that masquerades as good. I swear I met the devil."

"If you want something to cry about, cry for the N's new victim(s), the innocent, unmarked, un-inoculated prey. The victims are carefully chosen, and I feel sad for them."

"About every three months I'd hear about some treachery he was inflicting on someone, somewhere. This helps remind me NEVER to go back"

The key, as in all break ups, is to avoid contact. This physical distance is especially important in break-ups with an N as psychological distance and freedom is very difficult to achieve.

It's important not to blame yourself but get on with detaching both physically and mentally. Not easy and not pleasant."

Anger towards herself

Anger is not only felt towards the N but perhaps felt in equal measures towards one's self. The partner sees herself as an idiot for having fallen for the N, and for not having seen through him earlier. She is angry and disappointed with herself for having done things, even become a person, who she did not want to become.though the N's influence. She experiences a great loss of self, a loss of boundaries, and a loss of self-trust. The re-finding of herself has to begin.

"And when the crack is too big to keep holding with an elastoplast stick, then came the shame and humiliation for the victim (me!) and then the self-addressed anger- how stupid could I have been to trust!!" 

 
Depression

Exhausted by years of self-doubt, emotion abuse, confusion and perhaps indecision the partner sees herself as a fool. She sees the ways that she has denied reality to herself; the ways she has ignored her 'inner small
voice of wisdom' and allowed herself to be taken over by a sick person, and the self-blame can precipitate her into depression.

"I am worried that I am the kind of person who will always end up in a relationship like the one I had with Peter. I gravitate towards that type of person, I can see it now...all the men who attract me were Ns. I feel
powerless to do anything about it."

When the anger cannot be expressed, as is often the case in this type of situation, the energy attached to the experience remains locked up and can become self destructive. 


  
Phase 7:
Moving on, without closure 

To come back to the ever-seductive pull of the N, the partner finds she has to do all the work of putting an end to the relationship herself. The N will always want to keep it open-ended, to keep his hold on the partner.


"When you try to break off, then, it's like they have a way of keeping you locked in their gaze. In fact, I think the image of the gaze is appropriate. You're locked and you cannot be freed. And when you force yourself to look away, for a time, until the hope ends, it's like you know you're somehow still present in that gaze, that somehow you still are obsessed with him, and it is only when you can break it off, sharply, that you can be free. But he will keep looking!!!"


"I am ready to move on, but some things are proving harder for me to cope with than others. One thing is knowing that N has always blamed me, is blaming me now, and will continue to blame me silently, from a distance, even if I never see her again, for EVERYTHING that ever happened. This haunts me. I want to find her, shake her, make her realize and admit that she DID do some destructive things that made our relationship impossible, and she IS responsible for doing those things. Everything was not my fault!"


"Closure is something that is foreign to us here (in the support group); I doubt that any of us really feel that there was ever true closure when dealing with our N's. This wish for closure just keeps this person in your
life"

"I feel like I have extricated myself from a cult."

The support of friends and especially sharing with people who have experienced the same thing that allows the partner to keep a sense of sanity and of hope. This is why I refer all my client to support groups either the on-line variety or face-to-face versions. The dynamics of this type of relationship are unique and to see another pass through what you have lived is a uniquely liberating experience.

There is uniquely strong sense, after a partner has detached herself from the N, of having met evil personified. Scott Peck in his book "The People of the Lie" also talked of some types of narcissism as being an expression of evil. I think that this is because the N. first portrays himself in such
a good light.and then reveals himself as being someone so damaging and ruthless that we get the sense of our goodness, and belief in goodness being threatened to the core, thus the sense of 'evil being made visible'. Also I believe, the lack of empathy of the N. so injures our social bonds that the N is by nature an outcast and an aberration. 

Self-knowledge

For some this experience of having been "taken over" by a N can lead to a self-questioning which in turn can lead to deeper self-knowledge and understanding. The ex-partner of the N can start the process of
re-integrated the part of herself that she disowned, and needed the N to express for her. This could be the more dynamic, more confident part. Or the part that wants to be seen and recognized. The possibilities are many. But through this experience she can re-integrate "shadow" aspects of her personality. She may realize that she is drawn to an N. because it is a familiar role, one which she adopted as a child with her father or mother.

She may want to learn how to put better boundaries so that con men can no longer impress her and invade her world. This work cannot be done till all the above phases have been worked through and she can take a certain distance from the trauma.

"I didn't honour my intuition, gut feelings and instinct. The truth is that I had almost no experience setting healthy boundaries."

"Remember, the trip through the pain will bring the emergence of a stronger you who will have acquired a self-awareness you never dreamed possible!!!

"Through my self-education I've experienced opposite ends of emotion. On one hand it's been enlightening, cleansing, joyous, and uplifting. On the other hand it's been revolting, heart-achingly painful, gut-wrenchingly toxic, and horribly embarrassing." 


Tasting a different kind of relationship

The overwhelming relief felt when a partner of an N enters into a different type of relationship is in striking contrast. It may not be so exciting, the non-N may not take his partner to the stars, but what a relief to be able to be yourself, not be constantly on guard, unafraid of doing something wrong.

Gone are the fears of being unworthy of the great man, doing something unknowingly that will earn you months of detached disdain.. and will leave you feeling worse than shit.

Alternatively the partner may remain crushed and shattered by her experience with the N. She may have lost her self-esteem to such an extent that she becomes self destructive through relationships or otherwise. Or she may fear all relationships fearing that all men are wolves in sheep's clothing. A person who has been a victim for many years will have, in all probability, lost all sense of herself and be simply a bitter extension of the N. 


Counselling

The intervention one makes as a therapist is always influenced by the readiness or psychological state of the client. This is perhaps especially true in this type of situation. If the client is in phase 1 or 2 nothing will be clear enough, in the client's mind, to communicate to the therapist that the person she is taking about is an N.

In stage 3 on the awareness might be greater but very mixed. The client is likely to go from thinking something about the way he interacts with me is unacceptable..." to I have to find a way to get back into his good books. He is right I should not have asked where he is going that night three months ago".

I have found that giving the partner a very tentative indication that she may be in relationship with someone who has personality difficulties opens a door. At times I give the client (those in the middle stages of such a relationship) a handout that describes the feelings and experiences of the partner of an N. I ask her to check if she can identify with any. If she does I may give her the address of the support group so she can further compare her experiences with those of the members there. Whether or not she does it is often a matter of accompanying and supporting the process. This often includes witnessing the partner's return to the relationship with the N. These clients need to be sure that what they saw at the beginning (the prefect partner) is no longer there and be sure they cannot somehow make that state re-happen. A lot of the rest is helping rebuild the self-confidence and self-respect of the individual, and later to understand why this attraction took place. This involves rebuilding appropriate boundaries and recognizing, and resisting the inner temptation to give over control of one's world to a narcissist

As a psychiatrist was once heard saying " Ns are the bread and butter of the therapeutic enterprise, not because they so often seek professional help-they are too impressed with themselves to ever think they have a
problem-but because they drive so many people around them crazy. 


 
Bibliography

Vaknin, S. (1999, 2001) Malignant Self Love; Narcissism Revisited, Narcissus
Publications, Skopje and Prague.

Lachkar, J. (1992) The Narcissistic/Borderline Couple; A Psychoanalytic
Perspective on Marital Treatment, Brunner/Mazel Inc. New York
Copyright 2002 © Mary Ann Borg Cunen

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12/21/2011 8:52 AM


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Topic :   Ouch! Words from visiting N/Ps


In Their Own Words



From time to time Ns and Ps visit our forums.
Here are some excerpts from their messages...



 



"At first I was intrigued by this group. The vast majority seem to be women who were victims of abusive relationships or cold, distant lovers, or something to the regard of feeling used and mistreated. While I have personally left a few women in my wake, a lot of what I have read is either:

A) Saturated with emotion to the point of ridiculousness. Teenage forums where all complain about the woes of a broken heart or not going to the prom come to mind when comparing the blatant exaggerations and cries for sympathy, pity, and emotional support.

B) Not about actual narcissists. Just because your ex-boyfriend was an asshole who stopped paying attention to you more and more as the relationship progressed, just because he may have been verbally abusive or manipulative, DOES NOT mean he carries a psychopathological disorder around."
__________________________

"Do you just want to be martyrs?"

If you've suffered pain and heartache and loss because of a relationship with a narcissist, that is YOUR FAULT. By volunteering yourself to be used, easily manipulated, abused, and naively open to the simplest deceptions, you are manifesting your own masochistic desires. Why did a narcissist target you in the first place? This overwhelming tendency to employ the scapegoat for, I have no doubt, troubles in which the victim's flawed self-image and disordered psychology plays as much of a role as the oh so evil devil with NPD.

"The only way psychopaths have to relate to other humans is by manipulation. We don’t have any other mechanisms for communication."


"It becomes easy to understand, once you add on top of that paranoia, psychosis, endless boredom / anger, and a natural feeling of entitlement to anything at any time (maybe even a little sadism), why these relationships fail. They were doomed from the start."


"One of my primary sources of narcissitic supply is to be thought of as a saint."


"I don't get this "I want to call the abuser' stuff. Are you women all addicted to relationship drama?

"Help, my N contacted me by email and I'm freaking out" - when I read that I knew I had landed right in the middle of dysfunction junction."

"I can’t comment on what will be enough to have a specific person leave you alone. I can comment on what his motivation might be in continuing to contact you, assuming he is a psychopath. He might be after something you provide, such as money, sex, comfort/normalcy, a fear or fight fix. You might be considered part of who he is. He has absorbed part of your personality by mirroring and he wants to continue or have that back."


"I usually "spin" most of my playmates and leave during the disorientation."


"Complete ambivalence and no contact is the key to ridding yourself of a psychopath."


"Psychopaths are natural masters of body language and nuance as it is a survival skill."


"As surely as this day will turn into night cons will find gullible people and needy dependent people will be targeted by narcissists."

 

"I've always had anger as long as I can remember. I'm thinking it is the one emotion it seems I can really FEEL."


"I adore a good fight! Not many things will stop me from causing strife wherever I go. I have to have a pretty good reason not to start disassembling social structures."

"I am constantly looking for ways to improve my image and make people like me or admire me. I have boasted of things that I haven't done, like my skill at playing a particular instrument and have had my lies exposed and I hated the person for it."


"If she begins to show weakness, such as eventually seeking our guidance or not maintaining discipline and surety of purpose, we begin to despise. We seek to give in a relationship, but we cannot give love, compassion, or empathy. We seek to give what we have."


"Co-dependant people are attracted to us because we provide a complete immersion of attention and focus. But co-dependant people are not inherently strong enough of personality. The experiment fails and we begin to despise."


"My advice is simple: Avoid him long enough for him to get bored and he will go away."


"In the beginning, what people are attracted to in psychopaths is they seem to know what you want, what you need, what makes you laugh, and feel good. They are mirroring what is inside you back at you, and throwing in what they’ve learned. In return, they absorb part of who you are psychologically. They become what you want as much as they can. The relationship feels good because it seems you’ve found your soul mate."


"The repeated references to narcissists lacking emotion and being unable to love others seems straight out of the typewriter of proselytising evangelists who couldn't made a sentence without relying on either a misconception, an exaggeration, an outright lie, or, as here, irrational generalisations. Did you study your manual? Do you have it all memorised so you can strike out at your proverbial abuser with incomplete medical information and a malicious lack of understanding? At least I've never accused someone of being less-than-human. I just proclaim myself as greater-than-human. Heh." 

"If he’s not out to get something else from you (sex, money, whatever), but is after a “relationship”, then the following is what happens in my experience: For a brief while, the psychopath “feels” something. He can fool himself into being the very thing that he longs for so dearly: normal."
 

"When you’re gone, though, his patterns begin to slip. They begin to fade as any memory does. Remember that he can’t hang his memories on anything because there is no core to hang them on. To him, you’ve got part of him walking around in you. He wants that back. If someone had taken a part of who you are, what would you go through to have it again?" I know what is happening, but I still can’t stop it from slipping away right through my fingers."


"It doesn't bother me in the least if people are angry. I believe I rather enjoy it. I'm thinking since I can't have love, might as well have hate."


"Co-dependent people are the closest thing to normal and they can only maintain relationships for short periods of time."


"From my point of view a boundary is: “Either don’t do this or I will do this unpleasant thing to you” and “if you do this, I will do this nice thing for you”.


"A psychopath will push you to find out how concrete those boundaries are. Willpower and discipline must be maintained in order to keep the psychopath in line until a natural order is established and a direction given (if the psychopath wants a relationship)."
 

"As an N, I also memorize other people's emotions. It's the easiest way to seem human because I have no idea how to feel them myself!! I'd be very easy to spot if I didn't know how to pretend to have emotions like everyone else."
 

"I was astonishingly intelligent for my age, and for as long as I can remember I was capable of certain penetrating insights into other people. But I felt nothing. I knew that we were “supposed” to act happy on Christmas morning, sad when a pet died, numb and glum when someone in my girl scout troop hadn’t heard from her father after his plane was reported to have crashed. I observed and, when I felt like it, mirrored the facial expressions and body language and rhetoric that went with these things, but all I really felt about it was exasperation and contempt: come on, why do we have to put on ANOTHER ONE of these charades? Enough is enough.


"I remember peeling the skin off a live baby rabbit that I’d unearthed in the woods behind our house. I remember being briefly fascinated watching this little piece of bloody meat try to scream. *Why doesn’t it realize that it’s going to die?* I remember getting bored and leaving it there, and washing my hands before dinner. I was still in elementary school then – maybe seven or eight years old."


"My mother had masters degrees in early childhood education and psychology and is probably one of the most patient, loving, selfless people in the world. I can recall her eyes brimming with tears as she pleaded with me to realize that other peoples’ feelings and welfare, including her own, mattered. I remember standing there, impervious, with a snide running commentary in my head. I wasn’t friendless. I found a number of friends with whom I could be quite candid about what drove me and what didn’t. They knew I didn’t care for them, but they hung out with me because I was witty, charismatic, spontaneous and fun. Likewise, I grew attached to them, in my own way – I enjoyed their sense of humor, their banter, enjoyed having something to do on the weekends. When two of them were falsely accused by the principal of executing a prank for which I was in fact wholly responsible, though, I had no inclination to save them. I threatened them ominously to ensure their silence. Ultimately I pressured another “subordinate” friend (a follower, really -- I had many of these) into taking the fall."
 

"I hate to be frustated. women and their behavior are often a source of frustration. I haven't yet met one that didn't want more than i was prepared to give. Guy friends are easy. My guy friends don't try to analyze me, they don't take it personally if i'm not feeling very social. They don't mind my lack of attentiveness. Most importantly, they aren't trying to get me in bed or ensnare me. I'm fine w/women when they keep their distance, and sometimes i don't mind being a sounding board, but, ideally, I just want to be admired from afar. Women have trouble doing that."


"I loved roller coasters, cocaine, and driving on the highway with my eyes closed. I manipulated, to hilarious ends, the shrinks that my parents took me to. Most people were afraid of me. I was disgusted by most people but content with myself. Oh and that whole thing about “weird, striking eyes” – I had that too. Some artist stopped me on the street one day and asked if he could take a close-up photo of my eyes for an installation he was doing. The eyes were pretty awesome and they still are."


"By the time I was a teenager, I was engaging in exploits that would cause me to be labeled a lying attention whore if I chronicled them here. Suffice it to say that I definitely excelled at manipulating people, and that as I developed certain persuasive skills – becoming a nationally ranked public speaker, for example – I was able to play “games” of increasing breadth and scale. I didn’t torture animals or engage in simple acts of brute sadism anymore. I found it much more satisfying own and dominate *people*."


"That sounds like you have no choice then and are just a victim to someone's ability to trick you into a relationship. I don't buy it. As responsible and mature people it is incumbent upon us to uncover who it is we are with and if it doesn't add up then it is our personal responsibility to get or stay out. But to just say you had no choice in the matter and this terrible person just showed up in your life without your permission and caused all this torment and pain without your permission is B.S. That's taking the easy way out and looking to blame other people for your problems." 
 


Artist Ruane Manning 

Graphics by  Sweet Design former MSN Group




12/20/2011 8:31 AM


femfree
Topic :   Funny You should ask...





Funny You Should Ask...

Insanity is doing the same thing over again
expecting a different result.
Albert Einstein


 

Evil N owns an apartment/office complex. The top floor apartments were vacant last winter so the N decided that to save $, he would turn off the heat in the empty apartments. This is CANADA in WINTER you Numb Nuts!!! So, of course, the pipes froze and burst. The apartments below were flooded and the tenants had to be evacuated. Incidently, one office suite was occupied by the N's lawyer. I heard the N's lawyer was furious as he lost valuable documents and he and the other lawyers and clerical staff spent a great deal of time trying to save other documents. Carpets had to be replaced, walls had to be torn out and replaced - it was a major financial fiasco just to save a few bucks in heating.

So guess what - the N does again this year?? Yup. You got it!  Ns don't learn their lessons very well. He again turned the heat off. The N complained that he had to get up at 4 am because the pipes froze and burst again in that building. The N's lawyer is in Florida. He gets back next week to find out that he's got the exact same situation on his hands again!  Hey, when you represent the devil, there's hell to pay!"


 

Yes, they are omnipotent all right.  At least they think so.  My xN is 6'4", 250 pounds, bald, scary looking. 
Years ago when it sounded like someone was breaking in our house late one night, he ran and hid in our walk-in closet, leaving me and the baby to fend for ourselves.
Yet, he would be menacing and mean with us and other members of his family."


 

"Most of the time i didn't receive gifts, but once on my birthday I got 3 Stephen King paperbacks that were ones he had already read! another time i got a candle from the 99 cent store. oh....and once after a nasty fight I received a card that he had gotten from the hallmark store for free--it was a card that spoke about breast cancer awareness! he actually signed it and gave it to me!"

 

"Today, I went to the dentist.  Turns out the lost filling was just the tip of the iceberg.  Because of all the damage to the tooth, the dentist said he would strongly advise a crown.  I agreed to it (we have dental insurance that will pay 50% for the crown) When N found out that I was having a crown put on, he HIT HIT HIT the roof!  He went on and on about how stupid and irresponsible I am and how this is going to ruin Christmas for us.  He then went on to threaten me with everything under the sun before finally (and blessedly) giving me the silent treatment. I called the doctor to find out how much the crown was (which I hadn't done before) and they said it would be ... $900! All that over $900, of which the insurance will pay half, when the night before, he was ready to buy me the Hope diamond!"


  
My NH really is gifted at starting new businesses. He started up his business and in only a few years had built it up into a recognized 'empire.' Well, those were the days of double-digit inflation. His tradesmen wanted a raise. They wanted 10 cents an hour more than he was willing to pay them. So, he fired the whole lot of them!!!  He was back to running a business by himself turning down all the business he had worked so hard to build up.
 
Wife #3 was a forensic accountant. She discovers wife #2 has been fiddling with the books. Wife 3 is shrewd and gets a hold of shares in the business. Then, Canada comes up with capital gains laws she takes advantage of, has the business declared at some unrealistic value and cleans him out at the divorce, leaving him holding nothing but the business (she got the cash, cars, house, trucks).
"After divorce #3, he now has no accountant. So, he hires his brother. This brother is a notorious gambler. Needless to say the brother absconds with over $50,000 of the company's $$. So, he's lost everything because of his divorces and his brother. His son, the N from hell, also works for him. Everybody in the family warned him about his son. N hates paying income tax so he sells shares in the business to his son. Dad wants to retire and and they hire lawyers and mediate a pension agreement. Guess what -- his son repudiates the agreement and cuts off his pension."



"I was working in a shop in my town about 6 yrs ago.I had to deal with the public and one day this nicely dressed man comes in and approaches me to ask me for help...
He said his car had broken down and his wife and kids were in the car, but he had no money and they couldn't get home. This man was well dressed and spoke very well and I had no reason to question him, at all.  He went on for 10 mins. about how his debt card would not work and he thought his child was getting sick and his wife was very upset... on and on, extremely convincing !!! He asked me if I'd loan him $25 dollars to get home?  He said he'd mail me the money when he got back. He was so concerned about getting my address and phone number and making sure he got it right so he could repay me. Once he had gone, a person I was working with came back into the room, I told her about him and she said, "Oh, yea he is a con and he got $25 dollars out of me too a couple of months ago".

Fast forward a year later, I am sitting in my car and he approaches me, I remember him, he didn't remember me !! I let him do his whole story, then I said to him, actually you owe me $25 dollars from the last time you tried to scam me and I'm now going to call the cops ! His mask came off so fast, it was bizarre.  He went from this sweet, helpless, kind, nice looking guy, into a complete monster, in about 1 second.  He started screaming at me and calling me a bitch and a loser and everything else.
Fast forward about a year and a half later, again I'm walking in my town and he approachs me, again he didn't remember me, but I remembered HIM !  He started to do his sob story and I told him he was Con and a N and what a low life piece of ....   This time he was stunned, he was speechless, he had just had his mask ripped off so to speak by me.  He just walked away dumb founded and slithered away.  It felt so good to call this Con/N just exactly what he was.  The reaction was so different than the second time, I think because I didn't let him tell his sob story and convince himself that he was some how a victim (in his twisted mind).  I think possibly they talk themselves into believing their own B.S."


"I keep reading other posts about how good looking your Ps are. Mine was Butt ugly. Bald, glasses, grossly overweight, rotten teeth, and his back has more hair than a Diane Fosse documentary, that is just the physical ugly, I don't need to discuss the mental ugly, ya'll know. When I met him back before the invention of the wheel, he had hair, was trim and wore contacts. He always had bad teeth and a hairy back. I saw a recent picture and he has more chins than a Chinese phonebook."


"My N came to see me when I was in the hospital cancer unit when it looked like things were really grim.
All my friends knew how serious it was, so they gathered around.
I was having convulsions from the medication, and feeling terrible... so my N partner said:
"I'm going home. You won't throw a good birthday party for me" - seriously."
 

  

"My NH is what I call "computer blind". He is so frightened of the fact that he lacks the skills necessary to manipulate the computer as he manipulates people's minds that he will not even switch it on. He refuses to learn how to use a computer because he says the windows should be set out differently so he can understand them. He says that computers are useless and only break down just when he needs them. He thinks he is capable of causing catastrophic computer malfunctions in supermarkets and other businesses in order to cause confusion just by using his mind." "The "N" patrol. I'm going to get a bunch of "N"s with sticky backs on them and stick them on every man's back I think is an "N". If you see one walking around with an "N" on his back....run...run as fast as you can."


 
 

"I am in the process of divorcing the N. Last week I refinanced the house to buy him out. The XN is almost 40 years old and decided to move into his mommy's home which is in one of the worst ghettos in Los Angeles. The N makes good money and has absolutely no debt. I handed him a check for almost $50,000. I told him, "You know this is the equity in the house which was always meant to be used for our son's college education, please invest it wisely." Yesterday he comes to pick up my son in his brand new BMW. That's right...he blew $50,000 on a new car while he's living in his mommy's bedroom in the heart of East LA. Great investment!!!"



"One night for the helluvit, I said to him "How do you feel about emotions?" He raged for 2 hrs - I got it all on tape. Amazing!! I can't wait to let his therapist hear it."


 

"He planned to be in the CIA. He planned many companies. He came up with all sorts of inventions. Designed risque clothing for women. Strangely, he would become these people during the planning process. For the world take over, he would wear army fatigue-like clothing.  When he was coming up with companies, he would wear a suit jacket. Always with a hat. The man was obsessed with hats. I suggested one time that since he had so many ideas that he should write novels. He started writing one about kidnapping an Afican leader and then decided that it was possible and began planning how to do it for real."

"I live on the coast. He would put together elaborate plans on how he could take over one of the smaller inhabited islands and secede from the US. The plans were very elaborate. Usually they involved a heirarchical structure with him at the top. He would outline the dollars needed, equipment, people, media, all sorts of stuff. Then, he would show me his plans. I thought it was a joke, so I would make joking minor suggestions...which, of course, were not well accepted. I came to realize through our conversations that these were all things that he actually thought were possible, and he wanted to do."


 

One time the truck's starter went out. He, of course, couldn't bother to get under it so he gve me the starter and told me how to change it. I am under the truck, and when I take the starter off, these two metal inserts fall out. So I asked him, "What are these for?"  He said they weren't important, and to just throw them away. (?)  So I did. Then put on the new starter. I got out, he started up the truck, and the starter stuck, grinding and humming, and smoking. Ruined the new starter. I called a mechanic, while the exN stood outside, kicking the truck, cussing and throwing screwdrivers.  The mechanic told me "Those inserts are there so that the starter isn't too close to the fly wheel, thereby stopping it from smoking and buzzing. Well, I had to go out and tell him what they were for.  Another trip to the auto parts store, for another $53.00 starter, and two inserts. He got so mad whenever he screwed up something, and I had to tell him what was wrong. It played hell with his "stock car driver extraordinaire "



"As for disgusting behavior, he would actually pick his nose anywhere and look at it! Looking at retrieved ear wax, belching and slurping food was also done anytime, anywhere!"


 

"Mine had purchased anti-bacterial dishwashing soap for use up at the lake home. It was my first time up there and I told him that since there's a septic system up there the last thing in the world he should be doing is killing the bacteria that process the waste. He laughed at me and asked if I had a degree in chemistry and I shouldn't worry my pretty little head about stuff like that. Apparently he's now warning all the neighbours that they shouldn't use anti-bacterial soaps because of the septic systems.



The weirdest gift I've ever had...when he left ('cos I told him to)... shortly returned with a gift for me...he said it was the most sentimental thing he owned, & he wanted me to have it??? He was standing on my doorstep...holding what looked like a club behind his back resting on the ground... For a brief moment, my life flashed before my eyes, & I calmy thought..." this is it, he's flipped, he's going to beat me to death". I knew he was a P... he knew I knew. It had been a very bizzare situation, where for once, I had come out unscathed by a P. It was a 130 year old wooden leg...???!!!"


When we married we had traditional gold bands. Six months later, well, it was over. When I did n-dip, trying to 'cure' him he wasn't wearing his ring. He told me he had 'put it away'. To make a short story long, he hadn't put it away, he had driven out to a field, crushed it with his pliers and thrown it away. He proceeded to tell me "Well, I put it FAR away". It hurt me to the core. He had done this with at least 2 other wives."





"I thought the family had some unusual habits and my MIL was always in a hurry during food preparation. Sometimes, my MIL would serve a half grapefruit at the beginning of the meal. She would cut it in half but never cut the sections or the fruit from the skin. It was a family ritual to use a spoon to scoop out the fruit and the idea was to squirt oneself in the eye or squirt the person sitting next to you as much as possible. At first I thought this was a joke, but they were dead serious."



"The NMIL proclaimed that all whole turkeys should be cooked for 2 hours. The rule was 2 hours no matter what size the turkey. Never mind if the turkey came with a pop up thermometer. That was ignored. As a consequence the turkey would be carved showing the inside raw and sometimes partially frozen. The N and his alleged N brother would swoon over how wonderful it was while I would stare at it in shock in my plate. I wouldn't eat it and that angered the family."



 

"A girl was in her house with her friend when she heard a knock at the door. She looked out and there was her N boyfriend. At the same time, the dog was barking at the back door to come in. "Who are you going to let in first?" asked the friend "The dog of course." she replied "At least he'll shut up as soon as I open the door!"




 "How do you drown a narcissist?"
Answer: Put a mirror at the bottom of the swimming pool.

"How do you end a conversation with a narcissist?"
Answer: Start talking about yourself.


 

A priest, a teacher, a millionaire, and a narcissist were golfing together. As they walked the course, they came up behind a foursome that was moving very slowly, and that didn't offer to let them play through. Calling over the club pro, the foursome inquired about the poor sportsmanship of the slow group. The pro explained that the slow golfers were blind. The priest said, Oh, bless them, I will keep them in my prayers. The teacher said, I will tell my students how inspiring they are. The millionaire said, I will offer to pay their greens fees for the year. The narcissist said, Why can't they play at night?




"What do you call a narcissist buried in sand up to his neck?"
A. A good start
B. Not enough sand

"Why won't a vampire attack a narcissist?"
Answer: Professional courtesy.



You just might be a Narcissist...
 
If, a few years after your wife dies, your Christmas present to your oldest son is a pen having a picture of a woman whose clothes disappear when you turn the pen upside down, and the card says "For Christmas yet to come" with the word "come" underlined, 
you just might be a narcissist!
 
If your gift to your younger son is a pocket-sized set of socket wrenches, the kind the AAA gives away, and when the son laughs at it, you scream at him "Those are Japanese steel! The best in the world!",
you just might be a narcissist!
 
If, after all the gifts have been opened and you are burning the wrapping paper in the fireplace and your 4-year old comes up to you and hands you a drawing he made with his new paint set and you throw it in the fire, and the child bursts into tears and you say "Now what's the matter?!" and he says "you just burned my drawing!" and you say "So go make another one!",
you just may be a narcissist!
 
And finally, if one night the son gets fed up and peels off a bill from the wad you tossed and you let out a scream that rattles the windows while flying across the room to tear it out of his hands, then take my word for it my friend,
you just might be a narcissist!
 
 If you come home every night and toss a huge rubber-banded wad of cash onto your young son's lap and say "here you go" while quickly ordering him to give it back,
you just might be a narcissist.
__________________________

Art by John Pitre
http://www.johnpitre.com/
Webset by IceQueen former MSN Group 

 



12/18/2011 8:20 PM


femfree
Topic :   The Psychopath

 




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He will choose you, disarm you with his words, and control you with his presence. He will delight you with his wit and his plans. He will show you a good time, but you will always get the bill. He will smile and deceive you, and he will scare you with his eyes. And when he is through with you, and he will be through with you, he will desert you and take with him your innocence and your pride. You will be left much sadder but not a lot wiser, and for a long time you will wonder what happened and what you did wrong. And if another of his kind comes knocking at your door, will you open it?"
From Without Conscience - The Disturbing World Of The Psychopaths Among Us by Dr. Robert Hare

"Learn to recognize the psychopath they tell us. Even experts are regularly taken in."
Robert Hare, Ph.D. Author Without Conscience -
 The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us. 

Hare, in his 1993 book Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us, says: "Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."



"PSYCHOPATHS AMONG US" Dr. Robert Hare
http://www.hare.org/links/saturday.html

Psychopath Awareness
http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/

Video on Psychopaths
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-823054058647438214

Difference between Psychopath and Sociopath
http://voices.yahoo.com/sociopath-vs-psychopath-there-difference-1906224.html


Dealing with Manipulative People, Excerpt: Psychopath's in Sheep's Clothing by George K. Simon
http://www.rickross.com/reference/brainwashing/brainwashing11.html

Are You Involved with a Psychopath, Michael Connor, D.Psych
http://www.crisiscounseling.com/Articles/Psychopath.htm

The Psychopathic Personality
http://www.oregoncounseling.org/Handouts/PsychopathicPersonality.htm

Tim Field's Bully Online site
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/index.htm

95 Traits of Character Disorders by J. Kent Griffiths DSW
http://drkentgriffiths.com/information/character_disorder_h.html


The Sociopathic Style, Marion Trent, John McCormick
http://www.sociopathicstyle.com/

Charming Psychopaths - How to Spot Predators Before They Attack by Robert Hare
http://cms.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19940101-000027.html


The Psychopath Next Door
http://chericola57.tripod.com/infinite.html


Sociopath as Romantic Predator
http://withoutempathy.blogspot.com/


The Mask of Sanity by H. Checkley MD (free download)
http://www.angelfire.com/md3/undergroundmind/sanity_1.pdf


Thirteen Rules for Dealing with Sociopaths in Everyday Life
Dr. Martha Stout - Interview Author: The Sociopath Next Door
http://www.bookbrowse.com/author_interviews/full/index.cfm?author_number=1097


Lures of Online Predators
http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/10/23/080527.php


Criteria Antisocial Personality Disorder
http://www.drirene.com/diagnostic_criteria_for_301.htm
http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=292


Bernstein.com - Antisocial Vampires - Is Yours One?
http://www.albernstein.com/id57.htm


Antisocial Emotional Vampires (A Checklist)
http://psy.rin.ru/eng/article/138-101.html


Emotional Vampires - How to Protect Yourself
http://psy.rin.ru/eng/article/145-101.html


48 Laws of Power(Greene/Elffers)
http://www.tech.purdue.edu/Cgt/Courses/cgt411/covey/48_laws_of_power.htm


The Art of Seduction - Greene
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/exc2_seduction.htm


Antisocial Personality Disorder and the serial bully
http://www.bullyonline.org/workbully/apd.htm

Energy Vampires by Dr. Bruce Goldberg
http://www.drbrucegoldberg.com/EnergyVampires.htm

The Psychopath Defined
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/robert_hare/5.html?sect=19

The Socially-Adept Psychopath
http://www.hal-pc.org/~rcanup/sap.html

Sociopathic Parenting
http://www.naturalchild.com/james_kimmel/sociopathic_parenting.html


Psychopaths Find Faces a Mystery
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/926662.stm


Emotional Capacities and Sensitivities in Psychopaths
http://www.goertzel.org/dynapsyc/2003/psychopaths.htm




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12/16/2011 6:31 AM


femfree
Topic :   The Narcissist Explained by Sam Vaknin


   
Dr. Vaknin Helps Us Understand the Narcissist

The following excerpts are from
Dr. Sam Vaknin, Author Malignant Self Love, Narcissism Revisited
http://samvak.tripod.com/thebook.html

We thank Dr. Sam Vaknin and Lidija Rangelovska, Narcissus Publications for their kind permission to use excerpts.




Question: Does the narcissist want to be liked?
Answer: Would you wish to be liked by your television set? To the narcissist, people are mere tools, Sources of Supply.
Narcissists, Narcissistic Supply and Sources of Supply FAQ 76
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq76.html 


I often come across sad examples of the powers of self-delusion that the narcissist provokes in his victims. It is what I call "malignant optimism". People refuse to believe that some questions are unsolvable, some diseases incurable, some disasters inevitable. They see a sign of hope in every fluctuation. They read meaning and patterns into every random occurrence, utterance, or slip. They are deceived by their own pressing need to believe in the ultimate victory of good over evil, health over sickness, order over disorder. Life appears otherwise so meaningless, so unjust and so arbitrary..

The Pollyanna defences of the abused are aimed against the emerging and horrible understanding that humans are specks of dust in a totally indifferent universe, the playthings of evil and sadistic forces, of which the narcissist is one - as well as against the unbearable realization that their pain means nothing to anyone but themselves. Nothing whatsoever. It has all been in vain.

If only he tried hard enough", "If he only really wanted to heal", "If only we found the right therapy", "If only his defences were down", "There MUST be something good and worthy under the hideous facade", "NO ONE can be that evil and destructive", "He must have meant it differently" "God, or a higher being, or the spirit, or the soul is the solution and the answer to our prayers".

The narcissist holds such thinking in barely undisguised contempt. To him, it is a sign of weakness, the scent of prey, a gaping vulnerability. He uses and abuses this human need for order, good, and meaning - as he uses and abuses all other human needs. Gullibility, selective blindness, malignant optimism - these are the weapons of the beast. And the abused are hard at work to provide it with its arsenal.
The Malignant Optimism of the Abused
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal27.html 



QUESTION NUMBER 3 - Why does he keep coming back? I keep dumping my narcissist - and he keeps coming back for more. I accept him (can't resist him when he is his charming self). But then things go awry and the cycle repeats itself. Why does he keep coming back?
Answer: Narcissists are addicted to a drug known as "Narcissistic Supply". Attention (good OR bad), adulation, applause, fame, celebrity, notoriety - are all narcissistic supply. The people who supply these consistently, reliably, and predictably, are called "Narcissistic Supply Sources". Why should the narcissist look for another source of supply if the current source of supply is available and always accepts him back? Cultivating a source of secondary narcissistic supply is a VERY time consuming and energy depleting affair. The narcissist always prefers the path of least resistance (reverting to old sources). The old source has the advantage of having witnessed and "recorded" the narcissist's past grandeur. Her very repeated "surrender" and "yielding to his charm" IS the narcissistic supply he seeks. Your narcissist keeps coming back and remains fixated on you because he has no free libido to employ in the pursuit of alternative sources. And because you keep accepting him back.
Why Does the Narcissist/Psychopath Keep Coming Back

http://samvak.tripod.com/3.html 


Hello. Recognize me? No? Well, you see me all the time. You read my books, watch me on the big screen, feast on my art, cheer at my games, use my inventions, vote me into office, follow me into battle… Of course you recognize me. I am your inspiration, your role model, your savior, your leader, your best friend, the one you aspire to emulate, the one whose favor makes you glow. But I can also be your worst nightmare.
"Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited" The Introduction: The Habitual identity By Dr. Sam Vaknin
Ken Heilbrunn, M.D.
http://samvak.tripod.com/kenintro.html

Humans are interchangeable and the narcissist does not distinguish one individual from another. To him they are all inanimate elements of "his audience" whose job is to reflect his False Self.
Surviving the Narcissist By: Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq80.html 


Riding high on the crest of the narcissist's over-valuation only to crash into the abysmal depths of his devaluation, they lose control over their emotional life. The narcissist drains them, exhausts their resources, sucks the blood-life of Narcissistic Supply from their dwindling, depleted selves.
The Narcissist’s Victims by Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq38.html


(Note: members find this a VERY SUCCESSFUL Tactic)
How to Leave a Narcissist. The narcissist analyses (and internalizes) everything in terms of blame and guilt, superiority and inferiority, gain (victory) and loss (defeat) and the resulting matrix of narcissistic supply. Narcissists are binary contraptions. Thus, the formula is very simple: Shift the blame to yourself ("I don't know what happened to me, I have changed, it is my fault, I am to blame for this, you are constant, reliable and consistent). Tell him you feel guilty (excruciatingly so, in great and picturesque detail). Tell him how superior he is and how inferior you feel. Make this separation your loss and his absolute, unmitigated gain. Convince him that he is likely to gain more supply from others (future women?) than he ever did or will from you. BUT Make clear that your decision - though evidently "erroneous" and "pathological" - is FINAL, irrevocable and that all contact is to be severed henceforth. And never leave ANYTHING in writing.
Excerpts from the Archives of the Narcissism List
http://samvak.tripod.com/archive35.html


Do not talk to him on the phone. Hang up the minute you hear his voice while making clear to him, in a single, polite but firm, sentence, that you are determined not to talk to him.

Coping with Your Abuser by Dr. Sam Vaknin

http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse3.html


The narcissist idealizes and then DEVALUES and discards the object of his initial idealization. This abrupt, heartless devaluation IS abuse. ALL narcissists idealize and then devalue. This is THE core of pathological narcissism. The narcissist exploits, lies, insults, demeans, ignores (the "silent treatment"), manipulates, controls. All these are forms of abuse.

The predominant chord in the partner's mind is utter, unadulterated confusion. Even the most basic relationships - with husband, children, or parents – remain bafflingly obscured by the giant shadows cast by the intensive interaction with the Narcissist. A suspension of judgement is part and parcel of a suspension of individuality, which is both a prerequisite to and the result of living with a Narcissist. The partner no longer knows what is true and right and what is wrong and forbidden.
The Spouse / Mate / Partner of the Narcissist - Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq6.html
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It is difficult to let go of this idealized figure. Relationships with narcissists inevitably and invariably end with the dawn of a double realisation. The first is that one has been (ab)used by the narcissist and the second is that one was regarded by the narcissist as a disposable, dispensable and interchangeable instrument (object). The assimilation of this new gained knowledge is an excruciating process, often unsuccessfully completed. People get fixated at different stages. They fail to come to terms with their rejection as human beings – the most total form of rejection there is.
Mourning the Narcissist By: Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq68.html


The narcissist inflicts pain and abuse on others. He devalues sources of supply, callously and off-handedly abandons them, and discards people, places, partnerships, and friendships unhesitatingly.
Other People’s Pain
http://samvak.tripod.com/journal33.html


The abuser perverts the system - therapists, marriage counselors, mediators, court-appointed guardians, police officers, and judges. He uses them to pathologize the victim and to separate her from her sources of emotional sustenance - notably, from her children. The abuser seeks custody to pain his ex and punish her.
Leveraging the Children – by Sam Vaknin
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/9128/107024


Trap your abuser. Treat him as he treats you. Involve others. Bring it into the open. Nothing like sunshine to disinfest abuse.
Coping with Your Abuser
http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse3.html


He seeks out his old Sources of Narcissistic Supply when he has absolutely no other NS Sources at his disposal. Narcissists frantically try to recycle their old and wasted sources in such a situation. But the narcissist would NOT do even this had he not felt that he could still successfully extract a modicum of NS from the old source (even to attack the narcissist is to recognise his existence and to attend to him!!!)
Narcissists, Narcissistic Supply and Sources of Supply Faq 76 Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq76.html




The abuser mistreats only his closest spouse, children, or (much more rarely) colleagues, friends, and neighbours. To the rest of the world, he appears to be a composed, rational, and functioning person.
The Path to Abuse
http://samvak.tripod.com/abuse9.html


"People suffering from the full blown, all-pervasive, personality distorting mental health disorder known as the Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) - are, indeed, more prone to violence than others. Actually, the differential diagnosis (=the difference) between NPD and AsPD (Antisocial PD, psychopaths) is very blurred."
QUESTION Can the Narcissist become Violent?
http://samvak.tripod.com/9.html


Even the victim's relatives, friends, and colleagues are amenable to the considerable charm, persuasiveness, and manipulativeness of the abuser and to his impressive thespian skills. The abuser offers a plausible rendition of the events and interprets them to his favor. Others rarely have a chance to witness an abusive exchange first hand and at close quarters. In contrast, the victims are often on the verge of a nervous breakdown: harassed, unkempt, irritable, impatient, abrasive, and hysterical.”
Confronted with this contrast between a polished, self-controlled, and suave abuser and his harried casualties – it is easy to reach the conclusion that the real victim is the abuser, or that both parties abuse each other equally. The prey's acts of self-defense, assertiveness, or insistence on her rights are interpreted as aggression, lability, or a mental health problem.
Narcissism by Proxy, FAQ#42
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq42.html


Narcissists have a problem perceiving other people's ability to conceive of ideas, to have their own needs, emotions, and preference. Wouldn't you be startled if your television set suddenly informed you that it would rather not work on a Sunday? Or if your vacuum cleaner wanted to befriend you? To narcissists, other people are instruments, tools, sources - in short: objects. 
A Case Study
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq16.html


Most personality disordered people are prone to be angry. Their anger is always sudden, raging, frightening and without an apparent provocation by an outside agent. It would seem that people suffering from personality disorders are in a CONSTANT state of anger, which is effectively suppressed most of the time.
The Iron Mask The Common Sources of Personality Disorders 
http://samvak.tripod.com/mask.html


The narcissist simply discards people when he becomes convinced that they can no longer provide him with Narcissistic Supply. This is an evaluation, subjective and highly emotionally charged. It does not have to be grounded in reality. Suddenly – because of boredom, disagreement, disillusion, a fight, an act, inaction, or a mood – the narcissist wildly swings from idealisation to devaluation. He then "disconnects" immediately. He needs all the energy that he can muster to obtain new Sources of Narcissistic Supply.
The Narcissist as Sadist FAQ #56
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq56.html


His attitude serves a paramount need: not to be hurt again. The narcissist anticipates his abandonment and, paradoxically, by trying to avoid it, he precipitates it. Maybe he does that on purpose: after all, if he is the cause of his own abandonment – surely he is in control of his own relationships. To be in control – this unconquerable drive – is the direct result of being deserted, neglected, avoided, or abused at an early stage in life. "Never again" – vows the narcissist – "If anyone will do the leaving, it will be me."
MALIGNANT SELF LOVE NARCISSISM RE-VISITED UNIQUENESS AND INTIMACY
http://samvak.tripod.com/msla2.html


The narcissist teams up with his partner because he regards IT as a Source of Narcissistic Supply. He values the partner as such a source. Put differently: the minute the partner ceases to supply him with what he needs – the narcissist loses all interest in IT. (I use IT judiciously – the narcissist objectifies his partners, he treats them as he would inanimate objects.) ...
if you wish to sever your relationship with the narcissist, stop providing him with what he needs. Do not adore, admire, approve, applaud, or confirm anything that he does or says. Disagree with his views, belittle him, reduce him to size, compare him to others, tell him that he is not unique, criticise him, make suggestions, offer help. In short, deprive him of that illusion which holds his personality together.
Article Getting Better
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq12.html


To "qualify" as an inverted narcissist – you must CRAVE to be in a relationship with a narcissist, regardless of any abuse inflicted on you by him/her. You must ACTIVELY seek relationships with narcissists – and ONLY with narcissists – no matter what your (bitter and traumatic) past experience has been. You must feel EMPTY and UNHAPPY in relationships with ANY OTHER kind of person. Only THEN – AND if you satisfy the other diagnostic criteria of a Dependent Personality Disorder – can you be safely labelled an "inverted narcissist".
The Inverted Narcissist FAQ #66 By: Dr. Sam Vaknin
http://samvak.tripod.com/faq66.html



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12/14/2011 6:38 PM


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Topic :   Moving On...



Moving On...

"We'll never get to the next chapter 
if we keep re-reading the last one."

unknown


"I think thatlife truly began
"I think that life truly began AFTER leaving the exN. The difference is amazing."

"My timeline was like this: First two weeks = shock and relief.   First three months = lots of obsessing and struggle. Fourth month = an increased sense of being okay and beginning to get up and actually do a few things again with people and feel slightly more normal. Fifth month = best so far. A real improvement in my overall mood and sense of well-being. And my plants all show it. Everything around me started to grow and thrive again."


"I was looking at some snaps the other day, taken when the abuse was at its zenith. I hardly recognised myself. I see a fraught, strained, tense woman, too thin, the eyes gone dull. It is almost miraculous now, only seven months later, the recovery which has been wrought (albeit with huge effort). I look almost like I did before I married him. There is serenity now, the lines of desperation have smoothed out, my eyes have a gleam again. I look good, I look like a woman again, and I do not mind saying it."

"Speaking of love: love yourselves more every day, spoil yourselves a little, with small things."


"There comes a time for all of us when we turn the corner, when we accept what is, what can never be, and begin to step around the bend. I wish I knew how to speed it up for everyone but it's a process like all others we go through."

"...it is fun to be me again..."


"This is the first time in my life I'm not terrified of the dark or feel of a sense of foreboding in my own home. It always seemed like everywhere I lived was full of a dark force I could never put my finger on. Now, I understand the power the negative energy a P/N has on everything around them. Living with them is like living in a non-stop horror movie. It makes me sick to even admit this or to discuss it openly."


"Their need for control is crushed by people who have it together."

"Getting away from the N improves life beyond belief. As weak as you feel being with an N, you'll feel equally as strong being away from the N. The recovery process gets easier, but it lasts longer than you think. Getting away from the N improves life beyond belief. You are stronger than you imagine. You are more resillient than you would believe. This forum is one of the best therapies for those who have been partnered with an N. It's easy to lose sight of who you were and what you achieved by just getting away from an N. As much as the reason you're here is an incredibly sad one, it's overwhelming to find there are others who understand this journey."


"I have achieved more in the last 5 years away from him than in the whole of the 33 years with him."


"Like you, I'm growing professionally by leaps and bounds, its scary how much we accomplish with no N sucking our energies.


"I've done more in the 3 years since I left N that I did in the previous 46! I've actually amazed myself. Done things I never thought I could do since. By the time I left N I was almost unable to put a coherent sentence together."


"I consider this site and the information on it the blade I have wielded to cut the strings of manipulation that have kept me in an exhausting dance to a tune that was not written or chosen by me. It is my new task to purposefully direct my own steps and orchestrate my own music from here on out."



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